X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-PolluStop: No license found, only first 5 messages were scanned Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:09:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.1) with ESMTP id 1208464 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:05:52 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.70; envelope-from=rtitsworth@mindspring.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=ivygTgrzodPgpiVQKvCN5Z7cpiDl2xVb6BGGaYMfUsTq21PdV0KtzKs+bHQ/U+vt; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.188.132.91] (helo=RDTVAIO) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FvGzl-0003z3-Sa for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:05:02 -0400 Reply-To: From: "richard titsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] LIV Stalls X-Original-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:04:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaZgXM/WivzbLh4SAC15FjvcTHuDAAiYKwA X-Original-Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: b17f11247b2ac8f0a79dc4b33984cbaa0a9da525759e265400dde2a693c6db34a5f84e89d640be5f4e508857176a6fc1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.188.132.91 Just curious... Were these power off or power on stalls? If power on, how much power? What was the Gross weight? Where was the CG? Is the video available? Was any "detailed" analysis done of the wing and/or washout symmetry? If both wings were the "same", what was the tolerance of "same"? Rick ES-building -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of rfroelich@cox.net Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:34 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] LIV Stalls I tufted the wings of an early LIV (four gear door version, two per side) and stalled it a number of times to videotape the stalls. We had two LIV pilots on board, one videotaping while the other flew. In all but one stall the right wing dropped and the plane never went through more than 60 degrees of turn. Only once did it stall straight ahead. The aerodynamicist who reviewed the video, had never seen the tufts go inboard at the stall (which was what happened). He recommended extending the wing root fairing further back on the fuselage, to overcome this abnormality. Later models with just two gear doors on the mains (one per side), have extended the fairing. Am anxious to check tufts in stalls on the one I am currently building. I did hear back in the 1990's of one LIV loosing 8,000 feet before being able to recover from a stall/spin. Robert Froelich -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/