X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-PolluStop: No license found, only first 5 messages were scanned Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao04.cox.net ([68.230.241.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.1) with ESMTP id 1207301 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:59:23 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.35; envelope-from=sportform@cox.net Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [70.187.129.106]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060627005834.MXHM8537.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@[10.0.1.3]> for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:58:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-42--883455471 X-Original-Message-Id: From: Barry Hancock Subject: Re: [LML] LIV Stalls X-Original-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:58:39 -0700 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) --Apple-Mail-42--883455471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:34 PM, wrote: > I did hear back in the 1990's of one LIV loosing 8,000 feet before > being able to recover from a stall/spin. > > Robert Froelich We can all agree that the LIV is a handful in departed flight. However, *hearing* about a *story* 10 years ago with such negative inferences is not, in my opinion, appropriate to perpetuate without substantiation. As an example, there is a story of a guy who went inverted flat (intentionally) in a Yak-50 and it took him over 5000 feet to recover. I have done inverted flat spins in the Yak-52, which is MORE difficult to recover from an inverted flat with than the -50, and with proper technique it can easily be accomplished inside of 1200 feet. Yet I have had more than one person tell me about how difficult a Yak-50 is to recover from an inverted flat spin..... Moral of the story is just because a pilot reports a horror story about flight characteristics, doesn't mean that the plane is the culprit. Cheers, Barry PS Interior on 122LL is done - even Jim G. the master himself is excited about how things came out, can't wait to see it! I'm headed to Bend tomorrow to pick up my baby. Taking her to OSH....hope to see you guys there! She will officially go on the market....hate to do it, but with the chance to pick up the distributorship for new build Yak-3U's (that's 1450 h.p. worth of Mustang whippin' drool hitting my keyboard), something's gotta give. If anyone is interested in a Legacy with everything but the Cappuccino machine, let me know! Mustang killers available in early '07... ;) --Apple-Mail-42--883455471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jun 26, 2006, = at 5:34 PM, <rfroelich@cox.net> <rfroelich@cox.net> = wrote:

I did = hear back in the 1990's of one LIV loosing 8,000 feet before being able = to recover from a stall/spin. =A0


Robert = Froelich


We can all agree that = the LIV is a handful in departed flight.=A0 However, *hearing* about a = *story* 10 years ago with such negative inferences is not, in my = opinion, appropriate to perpetuate without substantiation.

As an example, there is a = story of a guy who went inverted flat (intentionally) in a Yak-50 and it = took him over 5000 feet to recover. =A0I have done inverted flat spins = in the Yak-52, which is MORE difficult to recover from=A0an inverted = flat with than the -50, and with proper technique it can easily be = accomplished inside of 1200 feet.=A0 Yet I have had more than one person = tell me about how difficult a Yak-50 is to recover from an inverted flat = spin.....

Moral= of the story is just because a pilot reports a horror story about = flight characteristics, doesn't mean that the plane is the = culprit.

Cheers,

Barry

PS=A0 Interior on 122LL is = done - even Jim G. the master himself is excited about how things came = out, can't wait to see it!=A0 I'm headed to Bend tomorrow to pick up my = baby.=A0 Taking her to OSH....hope to see you guys there!=A0 She will = officially go on the market....hate to do it, but with the chance to = pick up the distributorship for new build Yak-3U's (that's 1450 h.p. = worth of Mustang whippin' drool hitting my keyboard), something's gotta = give.=A0 If anyone is interested in a Legacy with everything but the = Cappuccino machine, let me know!=A0 Mustang killers available in early = '07... ;)

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