X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 07:03:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [204.13.112.10] (HELO mail1.hometel.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTPS id 1119975 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:16:41 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.13.112.10; envelope-from=marknlisa@hometel.com Received: (qmail 91785 invoked by uid 90); 19 May 2006 14:26:20 -0000 Received: from dsl-stj-204-13-118-2.stj.hometel.com (HELO MARKNLISA) (204.13.118.2) by mail.hometel.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 14:26:20 -0000 From: "Mark & Lisa" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Cc: "Rienk Ayers" Subject: Re: IVP Crash X-Original-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:16:32 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: Mr. Ayers, Your argument is that one plane might be less safe than another. My argument has been (and continues to be) that the pilot has more effect on the safe outcome of any particular flight than the aircraft he/she is flying. The bottom line is that our arguments (yours and mine) are based on opinion born of rhetoric and emotion, which may be disputed with more rhetoric and emotion; in other words a complete waste of time. Who prevails? Whichever of us manages to present his opinion most cleverly? No amount of rhetoric may change another's opinion, especially if that opinion is based on rhetoric. If that were the case we would only have one political party in our country! What we are in need of here are some facts. Let me try to clarify what I've been hearing from you: Lancair aircraft are SO UNSAFE that no one can fly them and Lancair has been deceiving it's customers (by outright lying or lies of omission) in order to continue selling poorly designed kits. The only logical end to this argument is that Lancair should stop selling kits, all those in the process of building should stop and those flying should be grounded. If this IS your argument then you're gonna need more than rhetoric. This list is a great resource for folks that are building, thinking about building or have built a Lancair aircraft. It is (or should be) a vehicle for sharing information. Opinions are unavoidably presented, after all, because not everything about flying airplanes is strictly factual -- how would we justify the cost? But, if you're going to offer an opinion suggesting that someone (Lancair) is deliberately ignoring the safety of others (their customers) for personal gain, then you MUST offer some FACT to back up that OPINION. Consider this: you obviously believe strongly in your opinion -- but you may be wrong! If you ARE wrong, you are trashing a reputable company that's done much to advance the state of the aviation art, and making a lot of people very nervous for no reason. Additionally, you just may succeed in driving prospective customers away from Lancair, and how would that sit with your self-professed need to conduct business with honesty and integrity? If you're right, you've done nothing to advance your position because of the suspicious way in which you've presented your opinion (devoid of fact, without initially identifying yourself as a business competitor). Additionally, the water is so muddied now you may have great difficulty getting the strongly opinionated to believe the facts. You must have heard the story of the boy who cried wolf? How would you feel about having delayed a legitimate effort to save lives? I submit that continuing to offer unsupported opinion unnecessarily damages not only your own reputation, but that of Lancair as well. Indeed, if you have information (data and fact please) that might save lives which you refuse to share, then you are as bad as you are making Lancair out to be. Until you find yourself in possession of fact that you may share with the rest of us, I respectfully ask that you keep your opinion to yourself. Regards, Mark Sletten