X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:01:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gateway1.stoel.com ([198.36.178.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1086711 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:02:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.141; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com (unknown [172.16.103.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com (Firewall Mailer Daemon) with ESMTP id 796D5EB3B3 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.103.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:01:11 -0700 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: AOA X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:01:11 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB60720389159B@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lml Digest #1588 Thread-Index: AcZrdEajhdQexYQDQxiLvQps+sngdgBSddnQ From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2006 02:01:11.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EB26C70:01C66CC3] Terrence O'Neill writes: <> A bit smug, don't you think? Not bad for an amateur who, as long as he = can keep an open mind, might come to appreciate the wisdom of someone = who, being 68 (or whatever) instead of only 58 has accumulated the = wisdom of the ages (in addition to an inventory of AOA devices.) = Actually, my thoughts were complete in the sense that I said everything = I wanted to say about AOA. Completeness, in the sense of saying = everything that can be said about AOA eludes all of us. If you will take the trouble to read what I wrote, you will notice that = I have nowhere said that AOA is a bad thing to have in an airplane. What = I have said, is that neither it nor any other gadget is a substitute for = good airmanship. I suppose that, in the hypothetical situation you pose = in which things are "already BAD", by which I assume you have in mind = someone who is, without knowing it, very close to a stall or who has, to = his complete surprise, just stalled, there may be some marginal = advantage to having an AOA (to tell you what you just did wrong and = hopefully to help you make it right) but for a pilot that is such a = plumber as to have gotten himself into that BAD situation in the first = place, I am not sure anything will help much. The essential ingredient, = both to avoid getting into BAD situations and to get out of whatever BAD = situations you find yourself in anyway is good airmanship which, in turn = is the result of flying knowledge and experience. That knowledge and = experience comes from flying airplanes on the edge at altitude and in = controlled situations, preferably with an experienced instructor on = board and through a broad range of aerodynamic conditions. Apart from = the 1g, under 20 degrees of bank stall sequence that every fledgling = pilot goes through, this kind of instruction is entirely absent from the = standard civilian curriculum. The results are reflected in numerous = NTSB reports. It doesn't have to be that way. Granted that the typical = flight school usually has no one qualified to give this kind of = instruction, five minutes on the internet will find you the name of a = thoroughly qualified school that will give you as much as you can take. What I object to is that these AOA devices are being promoted as = "essential" safety devices meaning, I assume, that a pilot is safe with = one and unsafe without one regardless of his or her flying knowledge and = skill. For the pilot who has been lucky enough or diligent enough to = have received the kind of training on which true safety depends, this = probably doesn't matter. For the plumber whose poor airmanship puts him = at risk of an inadvertent stall/spin, the illusion that advanced = gadgetry can make up for poor flying skills (so it's OK to be a plumber = as long as you have AOA) the concept is quite simply dangerous.