Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #34064
From: <VTAILJEFF@aol.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Runway checks, passes, flybys.
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:50:41 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
In a message dated 1/22/2006 1:14:10 AM Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes:
Jeff's post was outrageously condescending, preachy and overly generalized.
  Flying fast is not flying unsafe and flying fast is not flying
irresponsibly.
  There is a time and place for everything and everything has its appropriate
place.
 
  With 25 years in the attack Navy I am reminded why I loved single seat so
much.

 

George,

 

I guess you and I do not see eye to eye on this subject. I say it is a dangerous and you say it is not. The FAR's and AIM do not agree with you nor condone this kind of flying and the Navy did not either. Flathatting is addressed in  OPNAV 3710. If you were a squadron CO and saw one of your JO's doing this at your local NAS would you (a) slap him on the back and say "well done" or (b) put him in "hack"? Probably (b).

 

Not everyone agrees with you including the FAA around here as well as some of your brethren Lancair types. Here are a few replies I got in the past few days from folks on the LML.

 

Lancair CFI ---"The best thing about the LML is it lets me know who has the decision making skills to actually be flying these aircraft and who should be flying a powered parachute. There are reasons why at airshows all fly bys are limited to “At or Above 500’ AGL” even if you have a F.A.S.T. ticket." 

Another one...
"Well reasoned and well said. And thank you for putting it on the net.

It really galls me to see someone do a high speed pass and to hear others 
bragging about doing it - under the guise of "checking the runway...". I 
live on an air park and see it all the time."

 

There have been five serious or fatal Lancair accidents that can be attributed to pilots deliberately flying very low over the airfield, house or even the desert. One involved an airline pilot that killed himself and his daughter. His NTSB summary is quoted here...."The airplane dove into a residential property adjacent to the pilot's residence in near-vertical flight. Neighbors believed the pilot intended to fly over his home to alert his wife prior to landing at the nearby airport. The neighbor, in whose front yard the airplane crashed, reported there was a brief whining sound before the crash. When he opened the front door, the wreckage was in his front yard within a few feet of the house."

 

I have always recommended in this forum that people fly safely, responsibly and within the regulations. Brent Regan says, "don't let your kid fly the airplane," and if you have seen his presentation this is clearly one of those cases. A couple of years ago I had a running "discussion" with a builder/ flier that thought the airworthiness regulations did not apply to him because he could troubleshoot problems from the cockpit. Within a year he was killed after he took off with a known engine problem and the engine quit.  He failed to fly the aircraft correctly and ended up short of his divert field. In short, he did not want, need, nor heed all the great advice he got from many other pilots and instructors. Shannon Knoepflin is missed by many folks on this list.

 

There have been ten fatalities in Lancairs in the last 12 months. Many of the accidents were related to poor decision making-- the very subject we are addressing here. I make no apologies for my tone when I see pilots bragging about doing stupid things on this list that only serve to encourage others to try the same stupid stunt.  In short, all of us should get "condescending, preachy, etc," when someone here says "gee I'm bored flying this machine, let's go out and do something really stupid and fun and kill ourselves".

 

Regards,

 

Jeff Edwards

LIVP N619SJ

www.avsafe.com

 

 

 

 


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