X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:50:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.7f) with ESMTP id 941152 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:50:27 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.1; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id q.141.552d10da (57293) for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <141.552d10da.31051fb2@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:49:38 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Runway checks, passes, flybys. X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1137952178" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1137952178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en =20 In a message dated 1/22/2006 1:14:10 AM Central Standard Time, =20 marv@lancaironline.net writes: With 25 years in the attack Navy I am reminded why I loved single seat so much. George, =20 Here is the Navy's official position on the subject from their OPNAV =20 Instruction 3710.7T NATOPS General Flight and Operating Instructions. Unless= you =20 retired from the Navy before about 1950 this applied. =20 5.1.3 Unusual Maneuvers Within Class B, C, or D Airspace. Pilots shall not perform or request clearance to perform unusual maneuvers within class B, C, or D airspace if such maneuvers are not essential to the performance of the flight. ATC personnel are not permitted to approve a pilot=E2=80=99s request or ask a pilot to perform such maneuvers. Unusual maneuvers include unnecessary low passes, unscheduled fly-bys, climbs at very steep angles, practice approaches to altitudes below specific minimums (unless a landing is to be made), or any so-called flat hatting wherein a flight is conducted at a low altitude and/or a high rate of speed for thrill purposes. =20 5.5.1.6 Flat Hatting. Flat hatting or any maneuvers conducted at low altitude and/or a high rate of speed for thrill purposes over land or water are prohibited. =20 Your CFI should have studied the following:=20 =20 14CFR91 =20 Section 91.13: Careless or reckless operation. (a) Aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No person may=20 operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the =20= life=20 or property of another.=20 =20 Section 91.119: Minimum safe altitudes: General. Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an =20 aircraft below the following altitudes: =20 (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency=20 landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface. =20 (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or =20 settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 f= eet =20 above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the =20 aircraft. =20 (c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the =20 surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases,= the =20 aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, =20 vehicle, or structure. =20 Section 91.303: Aerobatic flight. No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight=E2=80=94 =20 (a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement; =20 (b) Over an open air assembly of persons; =20 (c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C,=20= =20 Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport;=20 (d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway;=20 (e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or=20 (f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles.=20 For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional =20 maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal =20 attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight. =20 From a regulatory and common sense standpoint it seems pretty simple to me--= =20 but I have asked our local FAA office for an opinion which I will forward to= =20 all. =20 Regards,=20 Jeff -------------------------------1137952178 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
In a message dated 1/22/2006 1:14:10 AM Central Standard Time,=20 marv@lancaironline.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial>With 25 years in the=20= attack=20 Navy I am reminded why I loved single seat=20 so
much.
George,
 
Here is the Navy's official position on the subject from their OPNAV=20 Instruction 3710.7T NATOPS General Flight and Operating Instructions. Unless= you=20 retired from the Navy before about 1950 this applied.
 
5.1.3 Unusual Maneuvers Within Class B, C, or
D Airspace. Pilots sha= ll=20 not perform or request
clearance to perform unusual maneuvers within clas= s=20 B,
C, or D airspace if such maneuvers are not essential to
the perform= ance=20 of the flight. ATC personnel are not
permitted to approve a pilot=E2=80= =99s request=20 or ask a pilot to
perform such maneuvers. Unusual maneuvers=20 include
unnecessary low passes, unscheduled fly-bys, climbs at
very st= eep=20 angles, practice approaches to altitudes
below specific minimums (unless=20= a=20 landing is to be
made), or any so-called flat hatting wherein a flight=20 is
conducted at a low altitude and/or a high rate of speed
for thrill=20 purposes.
 
5.5.1.6 Flat Hatting. Flat hatting or any maneuvers
conducted at low= =20 altitude and/or a high rate of
speed for thrill purposes over land or wat= er=20 are
prohibited.
 
Your CFI should have studied the following:
 
14CFR91

Section 91.13: Careless or reckless operation.

(a) Aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No pers= on=20 may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger t= he=20 life or property of another.

Section 91.119: Minimum safe altitudes: General.

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an=20 aircraft below the following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an=20 emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface= .=20

(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town,= or=20 settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 f= eet=20 above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the=20 aircraft.

(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above= the=20 surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases,= the=20 aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel,=20 vehicle, or structure.

Section 91.303: Aerobatic flight.

No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight=E2=80=94

(a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement;

(b) Over an open air assembly of persons;

(c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class=20= C,=20 Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport;

(d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway;

(e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or

(f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles.

For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional=20 maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal=20 attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight.

From a regulatory and common sense standpoint it seems pretty simple to m= e--=20 but I have asked our local FAA office for an opinion which I will forward to= =20 all.

Regards,

Jeff

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