X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:12:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gateway1.stoel.com ([198.36.178.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.2) with ESMTP id 843008 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:39:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.141; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com (unknown [172.16.103.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com (Firewall Mailer Daemon) with ESMTP id 78522E9EA7 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.103.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:38:16 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Op Technologies opinions? X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:38:16 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB607203725608@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lml Digest #1425 Thread-Index: AcXvVBt50quDApoxTeat2/K1eIxG4gAMsR3g From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2005 17:38:16.0451 (UTC) FILETIME=[8538C530:01C5EF8B] <> I have just bought two of the small screens and assorted support = paraphernalia for my Legacy. We are going to pull my panel and start in = on the install this weekend. So far, my experience consists of flying = in OP's demo Cirus, hooking one of the boxes I just bought up to a 12-V = battery and running the demo program and reading the Owner's and = Installation manuals. Since I bought it, I obviously considered it to be my first choice. I = mostly compared it to the Chelton Sport system, which I also liked. = Both the OP and the Chelton systems use the Crossbow 420 AHRS and have = very similar features. I ended up with the OP system for two principal = reasons. First, I like the display better (and particularly like the = fact that you can split the screen on a single display to present both = EFIS and other data (map or engine.) The OP also has a killer approach = screen that displays the approach in both vertical and horizontal modes = with a little red a/c bug flying along the line. Second, OP is located = five miles from my hangar and are considering moving to a space about = 200 yds. from it. (I am going to really like this -- not sure about = them.) I did not compare it with the Blue Mountain system, which I = don't know much about. =20 The flight confused me completely, as was to be expected with so complex = a piece of gear. After fooling with it and reading the manual, I think = it is certainly manageable and most of the trouble will be trying to = adjust from Garmin conventions to OP conventions (some of which I think = are better and some worse than Garmin.) With any system, you need to = learn how to use it and that is going to be a big task. One of the most difficult things to sort out is the difference between = OP's "integrated" and "non-integrated" systems. Basically, you can = drive the displays with remote mounted gear that includes not only the = normal EFIS stuff but your entire radio stack. You can also use a = conventional radio stack to drive the OP system. You can use the OP = system to input into some stack devices but not others. Eg. original = Garmin products are closed archetecture so they will output but will not = permit input of data. Former Apollo products permit two way = communication and therefore allow the OP to drive the stack gear. = Tru-Trak will not take OP inputs but I understand OP and S-Tek are = working on something. I opted for the non-integrated system, in part because I wanted a = fully-independent backup. It has been something of a chore to determine = exactly how each piece of gear works with this OP system but I think I = am there now. The marketing materials and manuals are not helpful in = this regard (they had to leave something out) so there is no alternative = but to talk to the OP engineers. I am using a Dynon for backup EFIS and am not installing any backup = round guages except for an OBS indicator that will run of by Garmin 430. I also tried but failed to talk to Rick. I did talk to two other pilots = with installed OP systems: Bottom line in both cases was that the = system was big-time iffy when they first installed it over a year ago = but they were able to work closely with OP and the system now works = flawlessly. OP is a bit behind Chelton on some software items but are working on all = of them. Eg. the Chelton feature of projecting track, rather than = heading, on the EFIS is not there yet but they are working on it. SIDs = are in the system but not STARs. GPSS VNAV is a work in progress (but = in any case requires a WAAS enabled GPS and GPSS VNAV autopilot, both of = which are current rarities.) My sense is that all this is coming in the = next year or so. OP is seeking certification of what they refer to as a = dumbed down version of the experimental system and STARs are going to be = required for that. OP are a bunch of ex-Honeywell engineers who are currently earning a = living doing contract work, mainly, I think, for Boeing. OP is small = but profitable based on the contract work. From this lawyer's = perspective, they seem to know what they are talking about and what they = say will happen generally has. Call or email me in a month and I can tell you whether this is a boom or = a bust.