X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:26:31 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c3) with ESMTP id 745048 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:49:41 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.158.62.67; envelope-from=cfi@instructor.net Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 266FA18002B6 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:48:51 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.37) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Oct 2005 15:48:51 -0000 Received: by ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1AE5CCD9F6; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:48:51 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ron Galbraith" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 08:48:51 -0700 Subject: A320 in the ATC system Received: from [63.147.78.63] by ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com with http for cfi@instructor.net; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 08:48:51 -0700 X-Originating-Ip: 63.147.78.63 X-Originating-Server: ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com X-Original-Message-Id: <20051002154851.1AE5CCD9F6@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> This post has nothing to do with Lancair, but several have mentioned the Ai= rbus, so I thought I'd share my thoughts about it from an ATC standpoint. The airbus A320 is one of the worst airplanes out there as far as ATC goes.= I know the pilots that fly them think they are great, and don't understan= d this thinking. This airplane has been involved in a majority of the syst= em errors that we have in the ATC system. The fact is that this airplane j= ust flies different than the rest of the fleet. The autopilot system is de= signed for passenger comfort, and the rate of turn, the speed in which the = aircraft starts turning, and stops turning, and above FL360 it's a dog in t= he climb. Many times I've had an A320 ask for FL390, and the computer is t= elling the pilot they can make it in say 3 minutes, but changes it's mind 6= minutes later and the airplane just can't make it to that altitude yet. W= hen we say turn 30 degrees left for traffic, that's what we want to happen.= When the A320 drivers don't just turn the airplane manually, and just dia= l in the heading and let the autopilot do the turning, he Airbus might have= to think about it for a while (I've seen it as much as a minute before a t= urn is started), then slowly start a very shallow turn, all the while the o= ther aircraft is getting closer and closer at a rate of maybe 1000Kts. As = air traffic controllers, we have all been burned with the A320, and have le= arned over time to treat them differently than any other airplane. Oh, the= radios are some of the worst too. You might ask what the best airplane i= s for us to work with in the enroute ATC system. Well, now that would be t= he Citation X (C750). Ron Galbraith LNCE - N5ES