X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [65.173.216.67] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0c2) with HTTP id 724291 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:57:43 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: FAA trying to stop us? To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0c2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:57:43 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Larry Graves" : All, I see no evidence that the FAA is "trying to stop us all from building our planes" whether in a builder-assist facility, our own shops or at a factory completion center... The FAA has always struggled with the "Major Portion" rule ever since it was established a couple decades ago, and the real issue has been for the most part a lack of uniformly interpreting the regulation, not the regulation itself. I don't see much of a substantive change proposed in this memorandum. Let me explain my thinking. In writing a business case prior to starting a custom aircraft builder assistance center back in the nineties, I initiated many conversations with the FAA both at the local FSDO and MIDO level as well as with the friendly folks in OKE city. I was concerned with the risk of operating a business that could be destroyed overnight by a capricious change in the interpretation of the major portion rules - what we commonly call the "51% Rule." The FAA first wrote the definition of an amateur-built aircraft, then wrote Order 8130.2 to help the local feds interpret this rule, finally adding FAA Form 8000-38 to the stack of paper in a vain attempt to make the whole process one of simple black and white. There has always been a concern on the part of the FAA that someone would hide behind the amateur-built regulation to go into the business of serial manufacture of ready-to-fly complex aircraft with the intent of retail sale to end-users. This would be contrary to the only legitimate reason (and even that is arguable) for the FAA's existence - the protection of innocent people from undue risk associated with unregulated manufacture or operation of aircraft. If you read the current regs, orders and forms, it is clear that there are over a hundred identified "fabrication and assembly operations" associated with building a tractor-type aircraft (canards and rotorcraft have their own variations) and at the end of the day, if you have checked-off more of these operations than your assistants have, then YOU are the manufacturer and can legitimately claim to have built the major portion of your kit aircraft. You can have help all along the way and with every aspect of your plane - you just have to be able to legitimately show that you performed more than 50% of the fabrication and assembly operations listed on the FAA Form 8000-38. It's really that simple. The form itself along with photos of you doing the things listed in the form is a PERFECT format for a builder's log, and is what I always used to show compliance with the regs at the time of final aircraft airworthiness inspection. The FAA has never even implied that we could not use entirely pre-fabricated items like engines, props, fuel selector valves, landing gear, brakes, wheels, canopies, lighting fixtures, etc., etc., etc. In fact these items and more are enumerated in the regs as completely allowed and not having any effect on the ultimate eligibility of your completed aircraft for amateur-built status. I suggest that before lighting the torches, grabbing our pitchforks and heading to the local FSDO, we air-out our concerns in writing to the FAA, EAA and AOPA and make it clear that we are very attentive about how all this is going to shake out. That said, I believe there should be LESS regulation of amateur-built aircraft rather than more... Nowhere is it more clear how government regulation stifles innovation and growth in technology than in the world of aircraft. Larry Graves larry-graves@comcast.net