Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #31154
From: Wally Bestgen <whiskeyb@sbcglobal.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Torqued to death
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:52:37 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Most light airplane initial training  is accomplished is aircraft that are underpowered or just adequately powered.  Aircraft that fall in to that category do not pose unsafe  flight characteristics with abrupt throttle movement.  I suspect when the  Lancair IVP ways initially designed, 350 HP not 750 was assumed to be the max.  I believe Brent is correct in his analysis of the problem.  Is the airplane unsafe?  I don't think so.   Does the airplane require additional operational considerations and training? Absolutely! 
 
There are more considerations than excess horsepower and torque at play here.  In addition  there is turbine lag.   In any jet engine 70% of the thrust is produced in the last 25% of the RPM.  In the late 60's Unites Airlines was made painfully aware of this fact at SLC.  A B727 crashed short of the runway.  The crew transitioning from piston airplanes pushed the power up from idle to arrest the decent rate.  On that particular engine it can take as long as 7 seconds for the engine to accelerate.  In this case by the time the engines came up to speed the aircraft had hit the ground.  In more modern jet engines the problem still exists.  It has been mitigated by a flight idle (vs. ground idle) mode in the fuel controller.  Depending on the airplane, flight idle is activated by extension of the flaps or gear.  This feature does not exsist in the 601. The Walter 601 is a free turbine which means there is no mechanical link between the powered turbine and the turbine that drives the propeller.  The propeller is "free wheeling" and is controlled by the governor.  Thus the propeller RPM does not have a direct relationship with the speed of the engine.  Keeping that in mind, just because the propeller is turning at max RPM (2080 in the Walter) turbine lag is not eliminated.  We can imagine a scenario with a aircraft on short finial, power at Idle, prop 2080 rpm.  The aircraft slows and descends below the intended glide path.  A small correction is added and nothing happens.  The natural reaction is to add more power by advancing the throttle.  The situation compounds as ground starts to rise rapidly more throttle movement is applied and as the nose is pitched up airspeed slows.  At some point the power turbine comes up to speed and now we have horsepower and torque.  Lots of horsepower and torque.  The correct reaction would be to  retard the throttle,  but as pilots our first job is to fly the airplane  and not hit the ground.  At that points every body is a passenger to the point of impact.   It is imperative that turbine pilot understand this concept, train accordingly and stay ahead of the airplane.
 
Power available.  Our community has suffer numerous stall spin accidents in the IVP.  The power and turbine lag exacerbates this problem.  It is critical to use only the power required for these maneuvers and recoveries.  The problem is not specific to our airplanes.  In more complex airplanes, aircraft systems help mitigate the effects of  excess power.  In the B777 (with auto throttles) with the first push of the Go Around  button the engines are programmed to produce just enough power to result in a 2000 feet a minute rate of climb.  Push the button a second time and you get the benefit of 90,000 pounds of thrust from each engine.  The bottom line is training on the use of the throttle and understanding that this is a different animal than a piston powered airplane. In the case of the stall recovery the aircraft is in the most vulnerable  condition.  High angle of attack and low power setting.  A perfect setup for the use a more power than that amount required.  Again training and education is the solution to the problem.  In my airplane I had initially decided not to put a AOA indicator in the airplane.  In light of our safety  record I have I have purchased an AOA with an aural warning.  Part of my 'memory items" will be to think throttle movement when I here "Stall, Push".  Slow airspeed will always reqire something less that full power.  
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Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: [LML] Torqued to death

During a recent post crash investigation of a Walter 601 powered (not a Lancair) aircraft I was having difficulty understanding what caused a left roll just before the crash on short final. The roll had an average rate of 46 degrees per second and corresponded with a power increase.  Given the 745 available horsepower (near sea level) and the 2,067 RPM prop speed I calculated an engine reaction torque of 1,893 foot pounds, roughly the same as putting a 200 pound weight about mid span on the aileron. Factor in that the airspeed was only 120 KIAS and you get that queasy feeling in the pit of your stomach.

The data shows that plane was on short final when the pilot let the plane get a little low and slow. He drops the nose slightly but doesn't accelerate because of the drag of the prop and/or  he is behind the lift curve.  He punches the throttle and pulls the nose up.  The added load on the left wing due to the torque reaction either stalls that wing or overwhelms the aileron authority and the plane begins an uncontrolled  left roll. Five terrifying seconds later  the plane has rolled 260 degrees and the right wing is pointing straight down. This is the last data point and the plane crashes, with two fatalities, less than 5 seconds later.

To all you LIV Turbine guys out there, remember this well. The Walter is a LOT of motor for those little wings. Low and slow is not a place you want to be and putting in the power is not  always the solution.

I would be interested to know what happens (at 10,000 feet)  if you slow to ~120 KIAS and then apply full power.  Do you still have any aileron authority?

Regards
Brent Regan
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