Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #29783
From: colyncase on earthlink <colyncase@earthlink.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:02:56 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Looks like I fumbled a sentence in there.   I meant to say in a Lancair things may not happen quite as quickly as a Vmc engine out, but still pretty quickly and it can degenerate from there in a hurry.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:33 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized

Jeff,
    thanks for your post.   I've read everything on the HPAT site.  ...and I have a question, which I will get to.
 
    I think everybody knows of someone that predictably died in an airplane but I am totally unconvinced that all people that die at the controls are people that would give you stupid answers if you posed a situation on the ground.   Under the stress of circumstances people do some pretty weird things.    Flight Safety appears to go after this problem by strapping you in the sim and inflicting you with these situations over and over until your reactions are the correct ones.    A really obvious example is engine failure in a twin near Vmc.  That particular one is not one you get in a Lancair but other things and degenerate pretty quickly.
 
    My question:   How much of that sort of hands-on, deal-with-it-in-realtime exposure do you get with the HPAT program?
 
Colyn Case
LIV-P
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized

In a message dated 5/10/2005 9:14:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes:
Perhaps it is time to organize and dedicate ourselves to an agreed
  creed, mission statement, or whatever to see this happen.  Sometimes a
  written and signed commitment to ourselves and each other works as a
  great reminder.
 
  Bryan Burr
Bryan and others,
 
You all are right on the mark-but a signed piece of paper is no substitute for great training. Lancair and High Performance Aircraft Training has been offering initial and recurrent training for the last year and a half. We had a great turnout in Florida for the Sebring but the weather did not cooperate fully (low IFR Friday -Sunday). Training was supposed to be held next weekend in Hondo but has been canceled due to lack of interest.
 
Pete, Dave and I have given ground school at the last two Lancair fly-ins, free forums at Oshkosh, etc. Walter & George Braly give very good (read great) advice and information on engine operation and their Advanced Pilot Seminar in Ada, OK is recommended for all piston operators.
 
The sad fact is annual Lancair recurrent flight training turnout is very light. Some pilots think that a "Joe bag of donuts" 18 year old brand new CFI with zero hours in a Lancair is an adequate substitute. If you really wan to avoid what happened to Shannon, then commit yourself to a good thorough review with HPAT.
 
Regards,
 
Jeff Edwards
LIVP N619SJ
CFI (I), MEI
2003 National Flight Instructor of the Year
 
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