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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized
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Looks like I fumbled a sentence in there.   I meant to say in a Lancair =
things may not happen quite as quickly as a Vmc engine out, but still =
pretty quickly and it can degenerate from there in a hurry.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: colyncase on earthlink=20
  To: Lancair Mailing List=20
  Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:33 AM
  Subject: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized


  Jeff,
      thanks for your post.   I've read everything on the HPAT site.  =
...and I have a question, which I will get to.

      I think everybody knows of someone that predictably died in an =
airplane but I am totally unconvinced that all people that die at the =
controls are people that would give you stupid answers if you posed a =
situation on the ground.   Under the stress of circumstances people do =
some pretty weird things.    Flight Safety appears to go after this =
problem by strapping you in the sim and inflicting you with these =
situations over and over until your reactions are the correct ones.    A =
really obvious example is engine failure in a twin near Vmc.  That =
particular one is not one you get in a Lancair but other things and =
degenerate pretty quickly.

      My question:   How much of that sort of hands-on, =
deal-with-it-in-realtime exposure do you get with the HPAT program?

  Colyn Case
  LIV-P
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com=20
    To: Lancair Mailing List=20
    Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:57 PM
    Subject: [LML] Re: Shannon's Accident Summarized


    In a message dated 5/10/2005 9:14:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, =
marv@lancaironline.net writes:
      Perhaps it is time to organize and dedicate ourselves to an agreed
        creed, mission statement, or whatever to see this happen.  =
Sometimes a
        written and signed commitment to ourselves and each other works =
as a
        great reminder.
       =20
        Bryan Burr

    Bryan and others,

    You all are right on the mark-but a signed piece of paper is no =
substitute for great training. Lancair and High Performance Aircraft =
Training has been offering initial and recurrent training for the last =
year and a half. We had a great turnout in Florida for the Sebring but =
the weather did not cooperate fully (low IFR Friday -Sunday). Training =
was supposed to be held next weekend in Hondo but has been canceled due =
to lack of interest.=20

    Pete, Dave and I have given ground school at the last two Lancair =
fly-ins, free forums at Oshkosh, etc. Walter & George Braly give very =
good (read great) advice and information on engine operation and their =
Advanced Pilot Seminar in Ada, OK is recommended for all piston =
operators.=20

    The sad fact is annual Lancair recurrent flight training turnout is =
very light. Some pilots think that a "Joe bag of donuts" 18 year old =
brand new CFI with zero hours in a Lancair is an adequate substitute. If =
you really wan to avoid what happened to Shannon, then commit yourself =
to a good thorough review with HPAT.

    Regards,

    Jeff Edwards
    LIVP N619SJ=20
    CFI (I), MEI=20
    2003 National Flight Instructor of the Year

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<DIV>Looks like I fumbled a sentence in there.&nbsp;&nbsp; I meant to =
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title=3Dlml@lancaironline.net=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 11, 2005 =
6:33=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [LML] Re: Shannon's =
Accident=20
  Summarized</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Jeff,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks for your post.&nbsp;&nbsp; I've read =
everything=20
  on the HPAT site.&nbsp; ...and I have a question, which I will get =
to.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I think everybody knows of someone that =
predictably=20
  died in an airplane but I am totally unconvinced that all people that =
die at=20
  the controls are people that would give you stupid answers if you =
posed a=20
  situation on the ground.&nbsp;&nbsp; Under the stress of circumstances =
people=20
  do some pretty weird things.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Flight Safety appears =
to go=20
  after this problem by strapping you in the sim and inflicting you with =
these=20
  situations over and over until your reactions are the correct=20
  ones.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A really obvious example is engine failure in =
a twin=20
  near Vmc.&nbsp;&nbsp;That particular one is not one you get in a =
Lancair=20
  but&nbsp;other things and degenerate pretty quickly.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My question:&nbsp;&nbsp; How much of that sort =
of=20
  hands-on, deal-with-it-in-realtime exposure do you get with the HPAT=20
  program?</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Colyn Case</DIV>
  <DIV>LIV-P</DIV>
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    <A title=3DVTAILJEFF@aol.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:VTAILJEFF@aol.com">VTAILJEFF@aol.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlml@lancaironline.net=20
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</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 10, 2005 =
8:57=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [LML] Re: Shannon's =
Accident=20
    Summarized</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>In a message dated 5/10/2005 9:14:16 A.M. Central Standard =
Time, <A=20
    href=3D"mailto:marv@lancaironline.net">marv@lancaironline.net</A>=20
writes:</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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solid"><FONT=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000=20
      size=3D2>Perhaps it is time to organize and dedicate ourselves to =
an=20
      agreed<BR>&nbsp; creed, mission statement, or whatever to see this =

      happen.&nbsp; Sometimes a<BR>&nbsp; written and signed commitment =
to=20
      ourselves and each other works as a<BR>&nbsp; great =
reminder.<BR>&nbsp;=20
      <BR>&nbsp; Bryan Burr<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>Bryan and others,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>You all are right on the mark-but a signed piece of paper is no =

    substitute for great training. Lancair and High Performance Aircraft =

    Training has been offering initial and recurrent training for the =
last year=20
    and a half. We had a great turnout in Florida for the Sebring but =
the=20
    weather did not cooperate fully (low IFR Friday -Sunday). Training =
was=20
    supposed to be held next weekend in Hondo&nbsp;but has been canceled =
due to=20
    lack of interest. </DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Pete, Dave and I have given ground school at the last two =
Lancair=20
    fly-ins, free forums at Oshkosh, etc. Walter &amp; George Braly give =
very=20
    good (read great) advice and information on engine operation and =
their=20
    Advanced Pilot Seminar in Ada, OK&nbsp;is recommended for all piston =

    operators. </DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>The sad fact is annual Lancair recurrent flight training =
turnout is=20
    very light.&nbsp;Some pilots think that a&nbsp;"Joe bag of donuts" =
18 year=20
    old brand new CFI with zero hours in a Lancair is an adequate =
substitute. If=20
    you really wan to avoid what happened to Shannon, then commit =
yourself to a=20
    good thorough review with HPAT.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Regards,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Jeff Edwards</DIV>
    <DIV>LIVP N619SJ </DIV>
    <DIV>CFI (I), MEI </DIV>
    <DIV>2003 National Flight Instructor of the Year</DIV>
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