X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:06:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [206.246.194.60] (HELO visi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c4) with ESMTP id 862470 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:11:22 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.246.194.60; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from [69.143.106.10] (HELO boblaptop2) by visi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2) with SMTP id 68408645 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:07:55 -0400 From: "Robert R Pastusek" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Engine Failure X-Original-Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:09:33 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Importance: Normal Dom Crain wrote: <> Hmmm, with an engine failure in flight (depending on it's nature) it's unlikely that you'll have the oil pressure required to run the prop to coarse pitch (unless you have an accumulator or the failure allows the prop to windmill). It is likely that you'll just have to take whatever pitch it goes to when that happens. I understand that when oil pressure is lost, some props go flat, some go coarse to a pre-set mechanical limit. But without oil pressure, I don't think you'll do the chosing. Dan Schaefer Dan & Dom, I broke a timing gear some years ago in my Cherokee 235 while eastbound near Winslow, AZ--big Continental; constant speed prop. The engine stopped producing power immediately but sounded like it was going to totally destroy itself, so I raised the nose until the prop stopped, then back to best glide down to a successful landing at the Winslow, AZ airport. My first reaction when the engine stopped was that we were too far away to make the field--based on many practice glides to a landing with the engine at idle. We actually arrived over the field with sufficient altitude to maneuver and land in the middle of the runway. I thought about this a lot during the time the engine was being repaired, and ran some personal tests after the plane was back flying. Findings: -Stopping the prop approximately doubled the glide range for that airplane when lightly loaded (Could never get my wife or friends to go practice that manuever with me after their first experience). -Coarse pitch improved the glide distance by about 30% over the standard cruise pitch, but not nearly so much as stopping the prop. -Stopping the prop (mixture in idle cut off) required that I slow to very close to the stall speed with the prop control in "cruise" setting -Getting the prop to start windmilling again after it was stopped required that I push the nose over to well into the yellow arc (although a momentary blip on the starter would start it windmilling again from any reasonable glide speed) Although I'd been told some of these things during my early flight training years, I'd never actually shut the engine down in flight. The results were significantly different than what I'd practiced with "simulated loss of power." I'm a lot more comfortable about doing this now, and intend to run these tests on my Lancair after I'm comfortable with landing it power off--just in case... I didn't include information about specific performance numbers here because I suspect every airplane/configuration will provide different results, and my tests were not done with the rigor needed to specify the actual glide ratios, airspeeds, etc. Even so, it's a worthwhile exercise to give you valuable and useful knowledge--especially considering that a clean Lancair should be able to go many miles with an engine loss at altitude. Bob P PS: There are some failures (i.e. loss of engine oil) that would cause you to lose control of the prop, but for most engine failure modes, including fuel starvation, you should be able to control it as long as the engine is turning over. Course pitch is the right first step; I'd consider stopping the prop as soon as you decide it's not going to restart. All this presumes you have enough altitude/time to reflect, and don't forget to fly the airplane while going through these steps!