Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #28970
From: terrence o'neill <troneill@charter.net>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: supershargers
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:21:50 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Craig,
    Some questions about the power required to run a supercharger to normalize or, say, up to 40% boost --
my old B&M Supercharger book says that using a clutch to disconnect the supercharger only saves 3% in fuel ... referring to a less efficient roots-type blower.  That makes me wonder if someone's earlier note that a blower required -- was it 70 hp? -- was maybe off by a digit?  Sounds like 7 to 15 hp would be closer... for about 40% boost.  It would help to quantify.
    Evidence that this smaller blower power requirement might be in the ballpark, is from Power Transmission Design Handbook, for computing HP ratings for belts... mine was a 'C' crossection belt, or close to it, i think, driving  a McCulloch (Paxton) centrifugal blower on the 351 ci Windsor in my Magnum bushplane, and it was driven nicely by its 3/4" standard automotive V-belt, no problem pumping 42" MP at 4500 rpm.  No waste gate used.  I was probably running the blower  too fast, as the intake temp was about 180F... (didn't have to worry about carb ice).  ; )  (See CONTACT! Magazine issue 16)
    Another indication that not much power is needed to drive the supercharger was a study Vortech did for my installation, which showed that for  40% boost, only 14.9 HP input to their supercharger would be needed.
So my thinking is that although a 300-400 hp engine with a turbo wouldn't use any crank HP, my belt-driven blower used only about 4 to 5% to blow a 45% boost, and the manifolding was much simpler and much cooler inside the cowling.  Does this sound reasonable? 
Wish I'd had a dyno for some better data.  The B&M book charts for this engine with my mods showed (estimated) about 380 HP, up from unblown about 270.  Any other comments on engine HP needed to drive a centrifugal supercharger?
T.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 06:39 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: supershargers

Has anyone tried mechanically linking the throttle to a variable
wastegate on the manifold between supercharger and carburetor?
I was thinking that this way possibly the more-opened-up wastegate could
let the pressure blow off when the throttle was pulled back, and increase
the blow-off level as the throttle was opened.  Terrence
 
What has been done, is use an electric clutch similar to the A/C compressor
clutch to disengage the supercharger at low RPM or where boost is not required.
In my opinion, the only real advantage of a mechanically driven supercharger is
low RPM response. I can't see the need in an aircraft.  Maybe aerobatics??
Craig Berland


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