Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #27778
From: Skip Slater <skipslater@earthlink.net>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Alert. NACA 64212
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:07:30 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Robert,
   I'm no aeronical engineer and can't read that graph with anything but wonder, but your interpretation of it is most illuminating.  It's very believable though as once flow separates on laminar wings like ours, my limited understanding is that AOA must be reduced beyond the separation point before the flow reattaches.  I'd love to hear some of our other LML readers (like Gary Casey and Professor Regan) who may also be qualified to comment on this weigh in on the subject.  I have some questions:
 
1.  Since the ES and IV wings are so different in size and loading, is this tip stalling effect more pronounced in one plane or the other? 
2.  Does CG have any impact on the chart or does it merely impact the ability to reduce AOA enough to recover once the plane departs?
3.  How much of the wing is considered the "tip"?  Outboard of the ailerons or including them?
4.  Do the tips stall in advance of the wing root and if so, by how much? 
5.  How much effect would some vortex generators ahead of the ailerons have on this graph?
 
   It would seem to me that the key to avoiding this phenomina is keeping the ailerons flying through a stall (assuming you allowed yourself to get that far in the first place).  It would appear that Lancair Certified addressed this on the Columbia by placing leading edge cuffs ahead of the ailerons.  The effect is akin to slats on an airliner, which keep the airflow attached to the wing longer in slow flight regimes like takeoff and landing.  On the Columbia, they keep the part of the wing behind the cuffs (where the ailerons are) flying past the point where the rest of it stalls, ensuring roll control throughout.  Vortex generators also delay the onset of flow separation, though they're normally only used on STOL aircraft which often fly in that part of the envelope.  I believe our best prevention tool is giving stall speed a very wide berth.
   Thanks for bringing this up.  Every small morsel of information which helps us better understand the characteristics of our machines hopefully enhances our ability to safely fly them.
   Skip Slater
   N540ES 
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