Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 548980 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:40:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.157.38; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id q.9b.538bfc38 (25305) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:39:59 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <9b.538bfc38.2edbf40f@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:39:59 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Acetone on carbon fiber X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1101699599" X-Mailer: AOL Strauss Beta Client sub 1180 -------------------------------1101699599 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/28/2004 9:08:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, ben@benodee.com writes: I'd love to know more about this. Marvin Kaye wrote: > Posted for : > > Studies at Airlink support your process. Bonding strength is often 2x > stronger without the acetone wipe. > > R. Simon, N301ES > > [ my personal test counter that idea, but my shop has > bridgeports and stuff that needs oil and compressed air -Rob ] > Once again this makes me wonder why my slow build airplane is still holding together. I never did use "cap strips." The process was Clean wax/oil with an EPA disapproved (and now unavailable) paint thinner Clean with acetone using white lint free paper towels and lots of them Sand with a grit large enough to roughen, small enough to not cut thru fibers Clean with acetone using white lint free paper towels and lots of them perform one of the steps of joint closure with industrial cement (now Hysol) or flox and/or BID. Repeat Just remember that the crucial part of making something stick together is that it must be CLEAN and ROUGH (or ROUGH and CLEAN) before the adhesive is applied. Don't forget to take the plastic off the multi-BID layups! 650 hours and I am still waiting for the first delamination! Anywhere! My main gear over center link pivot bolt support block is still attached to the main spar cap even after many hard landings. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR) Some Assembly Required Using Common Hand Tools And thoughtful procedures. -------------------------------1101699599 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/28/2004 9:08:35 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 ben@benodee.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I'd love=20 to know more about this.

Marvin Kaye wrote:

> Posted for=20 <lancair@ustek.com>:
>
>  Studies at Airlink suppo= rt=20 your process.  Bonding strength is often 2x
> stronger without=20= the=20 acetone wipe.

>  R. Simon, N301ES
> =20
> [ my personal test counter that idea, but my shop has
>=20 bridgeports and stuff that needs oil and compressed air -Rob ]
>=20
Once again this makes me wonder why my slow build airplane is stil= l=20 holding together.
 
I never did use "cap strips."
 
The process was
 
Clean wax/oil with an EPA disapproved (and now unavailable) paint=20 thinner
 
Clean with acetone using white lint free paper towels and lots of=20 them
 
Sand with a grit large enough to roughen, small enough to not cut thru=20 fibers
 
Clean with acetone using white lint free paper towels and lots of=20 them
 
perform one of the steps of joint closure with industrial cement (= now=20 Hysol) or flox and/or BID.
 
Repeat
 
Just remember that the crucial part of making something stick together=20= is=20 that it must be CLEAN and ROUGH (or ROUGH and CLEAN) before the adhesive is=20 applied.  Don't forget to take the plastic off the multi-BID layups!
 
650 hours and I am still waiting for the first delamination! =20 Anywhere!  My main gear over center link pivot bolt support block is st= ill=20 attached to the main spar cap even after many hard landings.
 
Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR)

Some Assembly Required=20
Using Common Hand Tools
And thoughtful procedures.
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