Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:26:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [68.168.78.44] (HELO mta13.adelphia.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 3070479 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:27:45 -0500 Received: from worldwinds ([68.234.163.20]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040309142744.TXGU14794.mta13.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:27:44 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: hot starts X-Original-Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 06:26:04 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal <> <> I fly behind an IO-360 as well, but with the Precision Airmotive system, which I believe functions identically to the on in yours. First I've found it helps to define "hot start." These engines cool down rapidly and even in an hour the cold start technique might be more appropriate - that's where I've found the "phase of the moon" comes it - to figure out when to use the appropriate technique. A number of things are useful to know: 1. The fuel that vaporizes into the engine is primarily in the lines from the distributor to the injectors. That happens fairly quickly as there is no valve in the injectors to stop a vapor bubble in the distributor from pushing fuel into the injectors, especially if the distributor leaks. I think this leakage (the variation from one unit to another) is what makes hot starts so individual. 2. The amount of air drawn in during cranking is almost independent of throttle position. Having the throttle cracked a little has pretty much the same effect as having it full open, so there is no real benefit in having the throttle open all the way during a hot start. 3. Incidentally, I've found a significant improvement with fire sleeves around all the fuel lines, especially the line from the servo to the distributor. This mostly benefits idle quality after the start. 4. Fuel flow (mixture in the rich position) is independent of engine speed - it is set for a normal idle speed. Therefore cranking with the mixture rich will provide too much fuel and that's why all starts are accomplished with the fuel shut off. 5. Shutting the engine off by turning the fuel off at the selector doesn't empty the system of fuel. As soon as the fuel pressure goes to zero the engine will quit running - the lines from the selector all the way up to the distributor and out to the injectors will still be full of fuel. The mixture valve should be leak-free when in the off position as otherwise Cessnas like mine would fill with fuel from gravity. If the mixture valve doesn't shut off completely it is time to get it replaced. 6. It slightly helps to pull the throttle completely closed as the engine shuts down, but it has nothing to do with the fuel system. The engine will shake in its mounts slightly less with the throttle closed as the compression pressure is reduced. 7. When cranking, you might as well keep cranking for several seconds as it could take that much time to get the mixture from a too-rich condition to one that will burn. Cranking a few turns and then stopping doesn't help anything. 8. I've found that if it doubt as to whether the engine is still hot you might as well give it a little prime - not much, but just a touch of fuel flow indication. That will flood the engine even more if it is already rich, but the extra fuel will be cleaned out in a couple of extra crank rotations anyway. This is especially true with a hot engine on a cold day, and even more if parked into the wind. How hot the engine is doesn't count - what counts is how hot the fuel distributor and injector lines get AFTER the engine is shut off and with the engine into the wind they might stay cold. Under these conditions even a truly hot start may not have the engine flooded and some prime will be necessary. Hot starting usually requires a fair amount of cranking, but with reasonable technique it should start without fuss. I hear some people talking about the added return line from the servo being a good thing, but I guess I'm not convinced it is worth the added complexity. It mostly cleans up engine operation immediately after the hot start and that is mostly an inconvenience. Just my opinion(s) Gary Casey