Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:24:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.226] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2783820 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:36:51 -0500 Received: from sdn-ap-002watacop0089.dialsprint.net ([63.187.200.89] helo=f3g6s4) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AS18z-0007AF-00 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:36:17 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <008101c3baaf$0c299240$59c8bb3f@f3g6s4> Reply-To: "Dan Schaefer" From: "Dan Schaefer" X-Original-To: "Lancair list" Subject: Re: Vortex Generators X-Original-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:39:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Cy Galley wrote: >>It doesn't seem to affect normal flight.<< (regarding installation of vortex gens.) Cy, maybe your wing has never achieved laminar flow, for whatever reason. A bit of roughness or an unfortunately placed paint trim line (doesn't take much). If this is the case, adding devices that may destroy LF won't make much diffference, if it's never established in the first place, in the flight regimes where it is a benefit - such as high speed cruise. I've related here before an episode wherein I encountered a really big cloud of bugs that apparently had glue for guts. I found that upon leveling out for cruise, I couldn't seem to get up to my normal IAS (I thought maybe the nose gear had been trapped, partly extended, by the nose gear door - a problem I had for a while early on). Tried recycling the gear but didn't help. Landed and found the leading edges coated with what felt like sand paper (Billions and Billions of squashed bugs). Once cleaned off, the problem went away. Don't remember the exact loss of IAS (maybe 20 kts) but was enough to get one's attention. I can only assume it was caused by loss of laminar flow. Dan Schaefer Early LNC2, N235SP Dan Schaefer