Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1b2) with ESMTP id 2110387 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:40:37 -0400 Received: from RWolf99@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id q.1a0.130a3a06 (4362) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: RWolf99@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <1a0.130a3a06.2bc48db8@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:40:24 EDT Subject: RE: 360 Flap Question X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 <> I did something stupid. I built my right flap two summers ago and forgot all of these important details. Now I have to build the left flap. I guess the important thing is to make sure they match. <> I don't see any problem with placing the flap spar on top of a lower flap skin which is glass-foam-glass rather than glass-to-glass. The primary load carrying element here is the multi-ply BID tape that forms the corner. If you're nervous, you can make sure that BID tape extends all the way onto the glass-to-glass portion. On the back (internal) side, why can't you just lay the BID tape onto the glass-covered-foam? There are many areas where we bond to covered core. Baggage bulkheads get bonded to fuselage shells containing core, every wing rib is this way, the cockpit closeout ribs are this way -- what is the problem? <> No, you can carve out the foam core here locally. And if you don't want to, just make sure that the bolt holes and nutplate rivets go thru the phenolic insert. Oh, don't forget vent holes! I made a mistake the first time around and made the flap spar the height recommended in the manual. I found that to be about 1/4 inch too short -- the flap would have been way too thin. So I added a tapered foam/micro shim to the top skin and covered that with BID before closing the flap. I intend to weigh both flaps and see how much weight this mistake cost me.... <> My wife is in the medical field and talks this way. I can't understand her, either. (although perhaps this is more fundamental than a terminology thing -- you married guys will understand, I'm sure...) So the question is ... if the inboard flap matches up with the fuselage fillet, where does the outboard end match up with -- the top or the bottom of the aileron? I ran a metal angle from the flap fillet inboard to the wingtip rib. I'm sure I clamped the angle to the bottom of the flap fillet with one of those cleco side grip clamps. I think I put the outer end on a small stepladder at the right height. Or maybe I had the aileron attached and clamped into an in-trail position and placed the angle up against the end of the aileron -- in this respect I think Scott Krueger and I agree. Where we disagree is that I used the top surface of the wing with the top surface of the aileron as "in trail". It was very easy to determine with a 12-inch metal ruler. The most important thing here is that the flaps are free to twist a lot, at least until the top skin goes on. You definitely need a metal angle to hold the flap unwarped -- or warped the way you want it -- when you close it out. Don't close it out on a workbench -- do it in place on the plane with the ailerons attached or it won't be right. And you wonder why all those other guys display their Lancairs with the flaps down, eh? <> Yup. That's how I did it. Good luck! It was a bunch of work but nothing difficult. And quite satisfying to see the flap retract and extend with a nice even gap to the top skin -- even if it is just by raising and lowering it with my hand.... - Rob Wolf LNC2 51%, maybe more....