Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net> (Marvin Kaye)
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:09:25 -0500
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Subject: Re: Cafe Foundation Article-Sport Aviation-Legacy
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I would like to congratulate the Cafe Foundation for writing another terrific 
in-depth article, which was in the recent March 2003 issue of Sport Aviation. 
 They are a wonderful organization.

On pages 43 and 44, the author casually mentions two observations about trim 
on the stick--two things that have been discussed on this site, and which are 
significant safety issues.  

Firstly, Mr. Stephens mentions four buttons on the top of the stick that 
operate rudder and elevator trim.  Then he mentions, "the elevator trim 
worked well, but was sensitive, and adjusting the pitch trim needed just a 
tap of the button in the desired direction".  He then says, 
(paraphrased), " (items resting) on top of the (stick and) trim buttons 
(caused) sudden and excessive trim inputs".

Well, duh, doesn't anyone at the factory read this fine website?  This 
problem was first mentioned by me in the very earliest years of the site, and 
I have brought the problem up several times since.

What would there be in the cockpit that might come to rest on top of the s
tick that would input excessive trim inputs?  Well, in my case, it was the 
palm of my hand...

The problem occured during departure roll on my first flight, and was 
exacerbated by the fact that too much voltage to the trim motors made the 
movement of the control surfaces tremendously fast.   

Well, duh, tremendously fast, as in the recent Cafe case.  Again, it is 
apparent that no one has been listening--I have written repeatedly about 
installing pots inline to slow down the control motor movement by lowering 
the voltage.   Yet the factory supplies a pilot a plane with 15 minutes of 
familiarization, hands over the keys, and the pilot later discovers an 
anomaly that should have been corrected years ago...

I am surprised that Mr. Stephens reported the problem in such mild terms.  Of 
course, he had no idea that this problem was one of 6 or more years standing, 
and that it had been repeatedly mentioned in this forum.  Perhaps if he had 
known that, he would not have been so mild in it's reporting...

Anyway, my point is this--all you newbies out there, be warned that if you 
put the palm of your hand over the top of certain brands of sticks, it is 
possible to run the trim to the stops.  And, if you have not put pots inline, 
they will run to the stops in a second or two!  I also suggest that you do 
not put your rudder trim on the sticks--put it on the instrument panel with 
an indicating meter, or some day you may find yourself going down the flyway 
sideways and wonder why....

Safe flying to you all.
David Jones

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 Foundation for writing another terrific in-depth article, which was in the=20=
recent March 2003 issue of Sport Aviation.&nbsp; They are a wonderful organi=
zation.<BR>
<BR>
On pages 43 and 44, the author casually mentions two observations about trim=
 on the stick--two things that have been discussed on this site, and which a=
re significant safety issues.&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
Firstly, Mr. Stephens mentions four buttons on the top of the stick that ope=
rate rudder and elevator trim.&nbsp; Then he mentions, "the elevator trim wo=
rked well, but was sensitive, and adjusting the pitch trim needed just a tap=
 of the button in the desired direction".&nbsp; He then says, <BR>
(paraphrased), " (items resting) on top of the (stick and) trim buttons (cau=
sed) sudden and excessive trim inputs".<BR>
<BR>
Well, duh, doesn't anyone at the factory read this fine website?&nbsp; This=20=
problem was first mentioned by me in the very earliest years of the site, an=
d I have brought the problem up several times since.<BR>
<BR>
What would there be in the cockpit that might come to rest on top of the sti=
ck that would input excessive trim inputs?&nbsp; Well, in my case, it was th=
e palm of my hand...<BR>
<BR>
The problem occured during departure roll on my first flight, and was exacer=
bated by the fact that too much voltage to the trim motors made the movement=
 of the control surfaces tremendously fast.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
Well, duh, tremendously fast, as in the recent Cafe case.&nbsp; Again, it is=
 apparent that no one has been listening--I have written repeatedly about in=
stalling pots inline to slow down the control motor movement by lowering the=
 voltage.&nbsp;&nbsp; Yet the factory supplies a pilot a plane with 15 minut=
es of familiarization, hands over the keys, and the pilot later discovers an=
 anomaly that should have been corrected years ago...<BR>
<BR>
I am surprised that Mr. Stephens reported the problem in such mild terms.&nb=
sp; Of course, he had no idea that this problem was one of 6 or more years s=
tanding, and that it had been repeatedly mentioned in this forum.&nbsp; Perh=
aps if he had known that, he would not have been so mild in it's reporting..=
.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, my point is this--all you newbies out there, be warned that if you p=
ut the palm of your hand over the top of certain brands of sticks, it is pos=
sible to run the trim to the stops.&nbsp; And, if you have not put pots inli=
ne, they will run to the stops in a second or two!&nbsp; I also suggest that=
 you do not put your rudder trim on the sticks--put it on the instrument pan=
el with an indicating meter, or some day you may find yourself going down th=
e flyway sideways and wonder why....<BR>
<BR>
Safe flying to you all.<BR>
David Jones<BR>
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