Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:47:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [32.97.166.34] (HELO prserv.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.3) with ESMTP id 1942586 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:09:26 -0500 Received: from b8p5r1 (slip-12-65-204-189.mis.prserv.net[12.65.204.189]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2002123120091720405b0kb6e>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:09:18 +0000 From: "Larry Henney" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] lml LNC2 Hyd. Power Pack and Dump valve X-Original-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:10:09 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <000001c2b108$9fb6b080$bdcc410c@b8p5r1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 D, Numerous vintage 1996 hyd units (I believe these to be the "New" unit) have their spool valve inserted backwards. I am unaware of any difficulties with the "Old" units. Perhaps Lancair could tell you why they changed to the newer unit. The dump valve originally included in LNC2 kits was rated at 600 psi. The system runs up around 1100 psi. Many have begun leaking internally. Mine lasted about 200 hours before needing replacement. This is evidenced by the occasional cycling of the pump. Although the other 6 cylinders could also be the culprit, the dump valve has had a higher failure rate on my plane. (1 of 7 ) Vern will sell you the new appox. 2200 psi (I think) valve or you could get one from WW Granger. The electric portion of the pressure switches has been accused of failing more than once. I was somehow convinced to aquire a spare low pressure down switch. It's still new in the box (does anybody want it?) I personnaly am more inclined to suspect internal cylinder leakage, a faulty dump valve, or a reversed spool valve prior to getting worked up over the pressure switches. A genuine failure of one these switches would be an inconvenience but it wouldn't prevent a return flight home (I would use a switch to momentarily jumper the pressure switch to get the gear up). It should be noted that the initial Lancair wiring diagram could be considered flawed in that it might cause an unweary pilot to burn up his non-continuous duty relays. To be precise consider pulling the 50 amp circuit for a gear free fall test for example. The opening of the dump valve as designed will cause the relay to engage without pump actuation. This continuous use of a non-continuous duty relay will cause it to fail. Therefore, many LNC2 wiring designs include a CB for the "control power" in addition to the hyd power pack power (or you could wire control power down stream of your 50 amp breaker). Finally, there are no system failures (or AD's or upgrades that I'm aware of) listed above that should cause any crisis in flight. Fly yours and wring it out. If you have difficulty freefall the gear, land, and troubleshoot the situation. The largest mechanical risk in the gear systems I'm aware of is when hyd cylinders fail to bottom out internally resulting in force in the linkages. You don't want several hundred psi pushing your linkages beyond there normal down and locked position. Nor should there be force smashing your gear doors into the up position. Positive contact just prior to cylinder stoppage is challenging but mandatory. The largest risk in landing gear systems is the pilot to switch interconnect. Hope that wasn't too terribly verbose. I've been off the list for awhile and the wife was sick of hearing me try to explain hydraulics to her. Larry Henney N360LH IO-360 Ft Worth, TX