Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:12:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net ([24.50.78.6] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0) with ESMTP id 1850316 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:43:19 -0500 Received: from worldwinds ([207.175.254.66]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H4WJK608.N02 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:43:18 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: electrical redundancy X-Original-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:06 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 <> There are a number of ways to provide the necessary redundancy and certainly the dual alternator/dual battery approach is a good one. I think the important thing is to make sure that the engine operation can be isolated from all the rest of the requirements - or not if required. It sounds like the engine was isolated in this case, but it apparently (repeat, apparently) did not have a redundant system. A single alternator/dual battery system could have done that as could a single battery/dual alternator. For the twin engine application with a 24-volt aircraft one could build a system (I did) that could run on either 24 or 12 volts, thereby allowing the 24-volt system to be a viable backup. Also, I note that apparently (I repeat, apparently) the system would not run with a supply below 9 volts. All contemporary automotive systems will operate down to 6 volts (mine will) and that would have given at least a few more minutes of operation. Finally, I firmly believe that ANY important system should have an active warning device, not just a gage, to warn of a failure. Was the pilot flying the whole trip with a warning light staring him in the face? Or did he ignore it? I expect we will never know. And then even with one engine out, that still doesn't provide the cause of the crash. Unless there was, as reported, only one 12-volt alternator that charged a battery for each engine (or....?) and therefore one engine would fail only to have the other fail a few minutes later and maybe both were gone. Regardless of all that it appears as though the engine itself suffered no failure and this has been typical of the "auto engine" conversions of which I am aware. The engine itself seems to be as rugged as its "aircraft engine" cousin. Gary Casey