Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #15660
From: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Efficient Cooling and drag
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 00:01:19 -0400
To: <lml>
 
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From: Sky2high@aol.com [mailto:Sky2high@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:44 PM
Subject: [LML] Efficient Cooling and drag

George is wrong.

If you can open up a 1.5 inch hole in your baffling and see no change in the cooling of your air cooled engine in all regimes it was meant to effectively operate, you have an inefficient cooling system.  You have way too much air coming in and have created a high cooling drag situation. 
George is an expert in running "lean of peak" for reducing the power available (HP) thus, the heat (BTU) generated.  Be very careful for what you wish for -- I happen to like to run at best power -- best power that the engine was designed for and is capable of delivering forever.  It must be cooled to to achieve that high power condition at the altitudes that the airplane was designed to be most efficient. Period.   It must do this whilst minimizing the cooling drag.  Period.  IMHO, Everything else is just screwing around and messing around.  What the devil are we flying high performance airplanes for anyway?  Huh? Huh?

Enjoy,

Scott Krueger
N92EX
Fuel is the least expensive component aviation!
 
 
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Scott,
 
Please, let's not mix apples and oranges here.   The cooling air flow discussion has nothing to do with mixture settings, LOP, ROP, "Best (poor term, better is 'Max') Power",  BTU's etc.
 
So, let's take the issues, your raise,  one at a time.  
 
First:  With respect to cooling air flow,  here is the proposition:
 
For ANYBODY's cowling on any six cylinder air cooled engine:  If you find a spot on the back of the cowling that is as remote from any particular cylinder as possible, and open up a 1.5" hole - - what will be the "before and after" affect on the measured cylinder head temperatures?
 
From the testing I have done on Bonanzas, Cessnas,  Pipers, and various homebuilts,  the measured effect is very small.  A few degrees at worst.  2, 3, maybe 5. 
 
I have not seen anybody run this test (other than myself), nor even claim to have run this test.  So I have not seen any data to the contrary.  
 
Now, on the other hand,  if you put this 1.5" air leak NEAR a specific cylinder or cylinders, then it WILL adversely affect the specific cylinders by affecting the local pressure drop and the local airflow.
 
If anybody has any data to the contrary,  I would like to hear about the test and how it was conducted and the results.
 
It is, therefore, based on the foregoing, my view that creating inordinate future maintenance problems by using ungodly amounts of RTV on parts that will, inevitably, have to be removed for routine maintenance, is a very bad idea.   Much better to design the parts to seal up the air flow in the first instance, without the RTV caulking.
 
 
NEXT,  with respect to your short exhortation about why we fly high performance airplanes, let me take this a phrase at a time:   
 
>>George is an expert in running "lean of peak" for reducing the power available (HP) thus, the heat (BTU) generated.  <<
 
That is not a correct or accurate statement of either my position or the combustion engineering involved.  The purpose of operating these turbocharged engines at cruise at  A/F ratios of 17, 18,19, or 20:1 is to allow the engines to operate at HIGHER horsepower settings that they could otherwise be operated at  while at rich of peak A/F ratios  (14, or 13, or 12:1) - - given the same constraints for cylinder head temperatures and peak internal cylinder pressures.    I routinely do this - - and practice what I preach in this regard - -  by operating rated 300 Hp engines at 85 to 90% of rated horse power (255Hp to 270 Hp)  for extended periods at very high altitudes - - with the hottest CHTs < 380F. 
 
 
>>Be very careful for what you wish for -- I happen to like to run at best power -- best power that the engine was designed for and is capable of delivering forever.  It must be cooled to to achieve that high power condition at the altitudes that the airplane was designed to be most efficient. Period.  <<
 
Please, be specific.  Pick a horsepower at which you wish to operate the engine.   Let me presume the familiar  TSIO-550 engine.    Is it   262.5 Hp ?   (0.75 x 350) ?   Now, please, go out and set your mixture up to the book "best power" mixture for that horsepower and you will (according to the "book", TCM Form X30614)  be at 21.7 gph.     Is that how you would run that engine?
 
Or, would you set it up at exactly the same 262.5 HP and operate it at 50F LOP and burn 17.9 GPH with CHTs that are about 30 to 35F cooler? 
 
If the engine  is operated 35F cooler (than at some other mixture setting at the same HP) - - then it means that you could have reduced the cooling drag by a significant amount if you were willing to tolerate the higher CHTs that are inherent in operating the engine at "best power" as described above.
 
[In practice, operating the engine at "best power"  mixture settings results in such excessive   CHTs (and peak cylinder pressures) that the operator is forced to use a mixture setting that is much richer than the "best power" mixture setting in order to even slightly moderate the CHTs.]
 
On the other hand, if your goal is to achieve the same CHTS   rich of peak as lean of peak, maintaining the same HP,  then  the 21.7 gph fuel flow (best power mixture) will not be sufficient to do that.  it will require something like 24 to 26 gph to drop the CHTs down to the same (constant cooling drag)  CHTs as the same engine engine enjoys when 50F LOP at the same HP at 17.9 gph.
 
The above is not my opinion.  It is all hard data which is published by TCM.   I have verified its correctness by my own extensive testing.  
 
Scott,  I invite you to come by and visit our facility and go fly with me and see for yourself.  I can demonstrate absolutely everything you see above, in a one hour flight in my airplane.
 
 
THIRD, and last:
 
Scott,  you say:   >>Fuel is the least expensive component aviation! <<
 
To which I respond:  Air is the least expensive component in aviation!
 
Please come by and see us. 
 
Regards,  George Braly
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