Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:28:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net ([24.50.78.4] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b8) with ESMTP id 1791459 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:59:49 -0400 Received: from worldwinds ([207.175.254.66]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H31QRN02.I03 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:59:47 -0400 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: V8 engines X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:57:59 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 It has been said: <> And there is a germ of truth, but then why use liquid-cooling in cars? The analogy doesn't, shall we say, hold much water. The liquid vs. air cooling is a fairly close call. Air cooling requires less coolant weight (about 20 pounds less), but it requires that the engine be much more bulky and consequently heavier than an equivalent liquid-cooled engine. Note that I said "equivalent" as even the really good automotive designs haven't been done with the emphasis on weight reduction that would be appropriate for an aircraft application. Liquid cooling allows a V8 to be built with 4 crank throws and a main bearing between each. The conventional aircraft engine has 6 throws and only 4 main bearings. Yes, the piston temperatures are much more consistent, allowing reduced clearances. That doesn't really do anything for efficiency, but does reduce oil consumption and increases life. The reduced combustion chamber surface temperature allows for higher compression ratios. If there really is such a thing as shock cooling, the liquid cooled engine doesn't suffer from it, allowing rapid descents with a closed throttle, eliminating the need for speed brakes. The bottom line, I think is that liquid cooling makes for a better engine design, but requires another fluid to be carried on board. Which is more important? My recollection is that the Navy, even though they were "closer to the water" than the Army Air Force, was worried about the cooling of engines on the deck as the aircraft couldn't always be turned into the wind. The Air Force operations on the ground were more controlled and therefore could take into account the potential overheating of the engines. The air cooled engines still overheated, but the effect was not so catastrophic. After all, we put oil in the engines even when we are a long way away from an oil well. Same thing for the oil in the brakes. Cars have a lot of liquid systems. Oh, and turbine engines DO suffer from the increased clearances caused by large temperature variations from air cooling - that's what the tip clearances on the turbine blades are for. The liquid-cooled V8 is a very compact and has a very rigid structure, including the crankshaft. I think for a high-speed aircraft it has a slight advantage. Is it worth the extra build time? Only the owner can answer that. Gary Casey