Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net ([24.50.78.6] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b6) with ESMTP id 1701638 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:06:08 -0400 Received: from worldwinds ([207.175.254.66]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H175U500.50W for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:06:05 -0400 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: PRISM vs FADEC X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:04:40 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I can't help it George, I have to respond to: <> You are precisely right on the first part. I spend a lot of my career evaluating and developing different fuel injection systems for automotive use and we looked in great depth at the various ways to squirt the fuel into the engine. We even had a "Bendix" RSA system on a car and could almost get it to pass emissions - remember that for a few years the RSA system was the thing to have at Indy. Anyway, the only real advantage of a pulsed system is that it provides a highly accurate way to control the fuel flow with electronics. It really has little to do with how the fuel gets into the engine. The only advantage of sequential injection is that it allows less acceleration enrichment to be used to get the engine to be smooth coming off idle, thereby reducing hydrocarbon (HC) emissions. It also allows a slower stable idle speed. George is right, above maybe 1500 rpm or so there is no measurable difference. Air bleed injectors can offer a real advantage under light load conditions, but those can be incorporated regardless of the type of injection. Why do it? The question is probably why do electronics at all, not why do pulsed injectors. And I think the only reason is to remove the engine management workload from the pilot - this includes cold start, hot start, hot fuel handling and other peripheral advantages. Actually, the same reason electronics has been used in cars, but the incentive is less because the aircraft engine runs essentially constant speed and is devoid of emission concerns - for the moment. Think of the way you operate a car engine compared to the way you operate an aircraft engine - that's the difference. How important is that difference to you? One of the incentives to use the PRISM system is that it adapts the spark advance to whatever the air/fuel ratio actually is, taking away some of the requirement for precision in the control of fuel flow, which remains manual. However, it can't fix most of the other fuel system weaknesses mentioned above. Gary Casey C177RG, no electronics ES project, with electronics