Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.106] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b1) with ESMTP id 1246767 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 24 May 2002 11:09:15 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id q.49.1de5a728 (4413) for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 11:09:12 -0400 (EDT) From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <49.1de5a728.2a1fb198@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:09:12 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Vacuum v. all electric X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 At the risk of being roasted here I will give you my two cents. First, I am an aircraft accident investigator-- so I get to see the results of vacuum pump failures. Currently, I have three open cases involving fatalities as the result of vacuum pump failures. I have no cases involving total electrical failures, although years ago I nearly ejected out of an Navy A-6 Intruder after a total electrical failure IMC-- the result of a electrical supervisory panel fault-- the place where all the electical wiring came together. Second, I am also a CFI and Designated Pilot Examiner so I get to see a lot of pilots out there and can tell you that the average level of skill among non professional pilots that I routinely observe leads me to conclude that the average private pilot with an instrument rating that flies 100 hours a year (most don't fly that much) and gets maybe 10-15 hours a year in the goo couldn't diagnose a vacuum failure correctly and quickly enough to transition to the turn coordinator to save themselves. Hey, its reality and reality bites. Flying is an extreme sport. A vacuum failure is not going to happen like you were trained in a C-172. An instructor is not going to announce "vacuum failure" and slap a post it note over the gyro. Instead, you are going to notice that the aricraft instruments don't seem to agree, the airspeed is increasing above red line and the altimeter is unwinding like crazy. You check the AI and it is level but the HSI is spinning fast to the right. You look at the turn coordinator and it is pegged to one side. Cold sweat breaks out profusely and ATC asks if you are having a problem. Now you look at the vacuum pump guage stuffed way over on the right side of the panel by the cigarette lighter and it is showing "0". You transition back to the turn coordinator but at 7000 FPM and close to 280 knots the 7500 cruise altitude you started with is gone in a minute. Vacuum pumps are notoriously the weak link in the vauum/ gyro system. The bulk of the failures occur with less than 500 total hours on the vacuum pump and many occur within a few hours of installation of a new pump. (I've done a study of vacuum pump failures for a notable case) Contamination of the vacuum system is often the culprit. The carbon vauum blades of the dry vacuum pump are intolerant of any dirt swilling about the chamber. BTW you won't find vacuum pumps on many biz jets or military aircraft. With the above in mind I elected to go with an all electric system. I have the 100 amp alternator with B&C 25 amp backup. The system is wired that should the main alt fail the backup will automatically power the essential bus containing the #1 navcomm, xpdr, backup elec gyro, etc. I am also planning on a small backup battery that will provide power to essential items as well -- so that one failure cannot take down the whole system. There are a number of different ways to wire you panel to accomplish a good level of redundancy. I have chosen a method that allows an automatic switch to a backup source WITHOUT any pilot action should the main alt fail-- in some of the vaccum failure accidents I have investigated the pilot never selected the backup vacuum source even though it was installed--probably because it was not a normal frequently used/ practiced operation -- hence my requirement for an auto backup. Also keep your backup power source and wiring apart from the main for redunancy sake. Just my 2 cents. Jeff Edwards