Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [65.66.11.38] (HELO qbert.gami.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 1173025 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:24:15 -0400 Received: by QBERT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:25:55 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <52548863F8A5D411B530005004759A931C2572@QBERT> From: George Braly X-Original-To: "'lml@lancaironline.net'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: pressurization IV-P X-Original-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:21:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brent, thanks for the information. Here are some comments. >>T.O. : Full power 36-38" 2700 RPM 38-40 GPM (full rich) Brent, based on the peak cylinder pressures that I am seeing on the test stand, I would move the full power fuel flow up about 2 gph, to the 41 to 42.5 gph range at full power. That, alone, will drop your peak cylinder pressures a good 100PSI or more (~ 10% or better) >>Race: Full power lean to 1400 TIT OR 400 CHT whichever happens first (OAT and altitude dependent) Climb: MAP 32", 2500 RPM, 30-32 GPM 1350-1400 TIT (OAT and altitude dependent)<< For race, I would retard the timing to about 16d. Run the MP up to about 42" or so. MORE ponies. Same peak pressures. Cooler CHTs. >>Cruse: 75% power, 28", 2500 RPM, 21.5 GPM, 1500 TIT, 385 CHT, 196 Oil Temp<< Try 31.5" MP x 2500 and 18 gph at cruise. Should have about the same Hp, with cooler CHTs. >>I rarely use less than 75%. I never let the oil temp get over 210. I never let the TIT exceed 1500. Ignition uses Bendix 1200 mags set at 20 BTDC (25 will detonate at race power settings).<< Curious, what is magic about 1500F TIT? Why that number, rather than 1475 or 1550 or even 1600F ? Spark timing at 25BTDC will cause massively high peak cylinder pressures (> 1200PSI) and peak torsional loading on the crank and prop, even at normal full power full rich on a normal takeoff. >> Total time is 717 and compression is still in the mid 70's. I can hold 34" map at FL250. The induction and exhaust systems are typical for a 540K with the exception that the deck plenum does not share a common wall with the oil sump. I balanced cylinder flows to achieve relative CHTs+-5 degrees F (no Gamis, sorry).<< You sir, are doing well! Two questions: If you lean the mixture from rich, through peak, then to lean of peak, at what fuel does the first cylinder reach peak EGT? At what fuel flow does the last cylinder to peak, reach peak EGT? The answer to THOSE two questions is the ONLY way I know of to determine if the F/A ratios are balanced in one of these engines. >>Monty Barrett (Barrett Performance Aircraft) is the best engine builder in the business.<< Monty IS first rate. Excellent engine person. I had the chance to have him fly with me in my airplane down to Florida and back, a few months ago. I enjoy his company and always learn a lot being around him. >He also has the best dyno available.< As distinguished from an R & D facility, he does have the best engine overhaul shop dyno I have seen, anywhere. It can't swing a prop so it can't be used for some certification purposes. But it is a clean, well thought out dyno. He is bugging me to get him a cylinder pressure transducer instrumentation rig put together for his stand. I'm trying to get to that. >>I would recommend him to anyone needing an overhaul. Monty apparently likes my engine too as it is the one pictured in his TAP ads (opposite the shot of the captain himself at the helm of his dyno). So be warned, maybe I am just blinded by the fame.<< Enjoy the fame! But... since he built yours, he has also built up two of those TSIO-550 engines, and run them, with 8.5:1 pistons. I think his opinion of those engines is right up there with your engine, at this point. I put cylinder pressure transducers in one of them up at his shop at his request because he wanted to make sure he had it set up right before he shipped it to the customer. (Do you know any other rebuilders that would go to that trouble? I don't.) Those engines were making 365BHp at 37" x 2700 and about 42.5 gph. At cruise, we had 265BHp. BSFC was down at 0.39... sometimes as low as 0.38. Saw 0.375, briefly. >>IMHO the Continental "Tuned Induction" is a joke. You can't split a pulsating flow with a "Y"ed runner and get even mass flow.<< Ah... Brent.... I agree it is not near as good as it ought to be.... and your phrase "a joke" is well, you said it, but... OTOH, the typical air flow balance for that engine (TSIO-550), cylinder to cylinder, is, measurably indistinguishable from a TIO-540AE2A, your engine. They are both bad when compared to the air flow from, for example, an IO-550 with the runner-log-branch induction system, which has nearly perfect airflow uniformity to each cylinder over a broad range of RPM and MP settings. >>This, I believe is why Gami is so successful with the Continental. The situation is so bad out of the box that it is easy to make a big improvement. << The reasons the routine TCMs are so bad out of the box is NOT because of the air distribution on the engines. It is a fuel distribution problem. When we fix the fuel distribution problem on the runner-log branch engines, the F/A ratios are damn near perfect. Better than can be done with a sequential port injection system. >>You are likely not seeing the big gains on the Lycomings because they have a much better intake system. But what do I know.<< The intake systems on the Lycoming engines leave a LOT to be desired, for exactly the same reasons as the "tuned" TCM induction systems. Among other things, the runners (on both the TCM and the Lycoming engines) are two short. They "tune up" and "down" with relatively minor changes in RPM. We typically see very nearly the same gains on the Lycomings as the TCM tuned induction engines. Part of the problem with the Lycoming engines is that their nozzles are so bad. Poor atomization, and flow spec tolerances you can drive a fuel truck through. Regards, George