Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.4) with ESMTP id 1042857 for rob@logan.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:06:00 -0500 Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.20]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:23:06 -0500 Received: from mediaone.net (we-24-127-94-60.we.mediaone.net [24.127.94.60]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18FNXI22970 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:23:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C63ED9D.7D749EEA@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:24:13 -0800 From: freemen@mediaone.net MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Subject: Re: personal liability References: <183.32f4f44.2992f9c1@aol.com> <000b01c1af72$fc3a5b60$a5499842@mshome.net> <3C6286B7.97C2C8F3@mediaone.net> <004f01c1b000$35622e80$fe499842@mshome.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Bob: When an Irrevocable Trust is written and administered correctly, no one can legally seize the assets. Sounds incredible but true. I have been researching and implementing irrevocable family trusts for many years and am convinced that they are the ONLY way to go for asset protection. Oh by the way, these types of trusts are recognized by the IRS and there are great income tax advantages to a properly managed trust. It begins to get deep with your very good questions so I'll attempt to be brief. The only way a "beneficiary" of a trust can be compelled to pay up by a judge is if the Trust is distributing assets to the beneficiary. You as the trust creator cannot be a trustee or a benificiary in a pure irrevocable trust for proper asset protection. You can be appointed as the manager of the trust by the trustee's and control the assets in trust, but you do not own those assets. A judge cannot compel a Trust to pay anything to a benificiary if the trustees do not agree to distribute anything. The trustee's can also take the benificiary off the trust. Beneficiaries have nothing to do with the managing of the trust. They are at the mercy of the trustees! Court precedent over the past decade (or more) has almost totally removed liability protection once enjoyed by corporations. For any reason, the courts now routinely hold officers personally liable for the liabilities of the corporation. However, the only time the veil of liability protection of a trust has been pierced was when the court was able to prove the establishment of the trust was for illegal purposes. If you (or anyone else on this list) would like to continue this conversation, I believe we should do it privately. Send me your email address and we can continue if you'd like. Research Irrevocable Trusts and Unincorporated Business Organizations on the net. There is a lot of crap out there but a lot of good basic information too. Brent S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>