Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 803968 for rob@logan.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:57:06 -0400 Received: from siaag1aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.3]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71175U5500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:48:23 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id HAA16051 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:54:38 -0400 From: Marvin Kaye <74740.231@compuserve.com> Subject: A theory on N424E Sender: Marvin Kaye <74740.231@compuserve.com> To: Lancair Mail List Message-ID: <200106270756_MC3-D758-6D5F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posted by "Robert Froelich" : Background: I landed my TSIO550B lancair IV in a field one year ago, = walked away but the aircraft was destroyed. Since then I have been = asking how did it happen to a pilot with 44 years of flying experience, trained at Flightcraft Inc to fly the lancair, with over 4000 hours in piston aircraft and with 7000 hours spent building, studying, and learnin= g all about the aircraft. What was missing? = Reference: Product Defects that Cause Airplane Accidents by Norman Birch,= August 1992, Item e. ..Poorly Designed Engine Fuel Systems.. "Some engine= s are equipped with a fuel injection system that is very sensitive to the fuel pressure from the electric boost pump in the airplane=92s fuel syste= m. = When these low pressure fuel injection systems are subject to the output pressure of the boost pump it causes the engine to flood and quit." Reference: Journal of Air Law and Commerce, 18th annual Symposium, March 1-3, 1984, Dallas, Texas page 164, Section VI -- Fuel Injection, paragrap= h 3. "Alas, the same can not be said about the other common form of fuel injection. It is crude in the extreme. No attempt is made to measure th= e airflow to the engine. It is designed to simply pump fuel into the engin= e in proportion to the mechanical position of the throttle. A simple manua= l mixture control, again no more sophisticated than a faucet is used by the= pilot to keep the engine running." Page 167 "...It is apparent that development of fuel systems ceased many years ago. Most current hardware= would have been quite familiar, if not by part number, at least by design= concept and sophistication in the 1930s. Placards and owner manual supplements do not make good designs, they cover up existing bad ones." The first concerns, I am aware of, about the fuel injection system occurr= ed in the 1960's by Cessna 210 owners, bonanza owners and the air = force flying the T-34 (air force version of the bonanza). I have talked = with pilots who remember some of the discussions along with discussions i= n the American Bonanza Society publications concerning the un-metered fuel pressure. Reported Experiences: 1). How many times have you had a continental fuel injected engine stop o= n landing roll out? It happened to me many times in bonanzas until I learn= ed that the engine needed more air to keep it running than it received when the throttle was closed for landing and the rpm dropped. = 2). What happens when you turn on the electric boost pump low or high during pre-flight engine checks? At 4230 foot field elevation with the engine at idle or just above idle, the electric fuel pump would kill my TSIO550B engine. = 3). One pilot reported to me that a friend was descending at 23,000 feet = in a lancair IV, had clouds ahead, retarded the throttle, got under the clouds, advanced the throttle to learn that the engine was dead. He was able to restart the engine by pulling the mixture all of the way off ...t= he procedure used on the ground to start a flooded engine. = 4). I accidently hit the electric fuel pump switch to high while reaching= into the back seat at 24,000 feet and the engine quit. Turning off the pump with the propeller still turning, allowed the engine to return to a normal air/fuel mixture and restart. = 5). Lance Neibauer told me that he had an engine failure on final when = he had forgotten to turn off the low boost pump during descent. Turning it off allowed the engine to restart. = 6). A Cessna 210 was lost going into Deer Valley Airport, AZ last Octobe= r 9, 2000 from engine failure on final which sounds to me like engine flooding. = 7). The following was reported here by AVIDWIZ concerning N424E: "Inspection of the cockpit showed that the mags had been turned off and t= he high boost and low boost were both in the on position." -- "The FAA Investigator loosened the fuel line which attached to the spider valve as= well as the gascolator and found fuel in both with the spider valve fuel still under pressure." -- an aside: The FAA inspector shortly after landi= ng in the field found fuel in the line to my engine's spider. My understanding is that we have never been trained to recognize engine flooding in flight despite that fact that it can and does occur. = Summary: I believe N424E=92s engine flooded on descent. One partial solut= ion is to place a bendix fuel injection system on the engine. I have heard o= f bonanza pilots placing bendix systems on smaller continental engines. Ha= s anyone placed a bendix system on a 550 engine? If so, I want to know how= it was done. A second solution is my new rule: NEVER REDUCE THE MANIFOLD PRESSURE MOR= E THAN 3 INCHES EVERY 30 SECONDS. Bob --- Robert Froelich --- w73rcd@earthlink.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>