Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 797083 for rob@logan.com; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:54:31 -0400 Received: from wind.imbris.com ([216.18.130.7]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71175U5500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:05:38 -0400 Received: from regandesigns.com (cda131-151.imbris.com [216.18.131.151]) by wind.imbris.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f58HFNT71721 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B20EB8C.B4BD6CE@regandesigns.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:13:16 -0500 From: Brent Regan MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lancair List Subject: Re: Blue Mountain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Looks like Aaron caught the glass bug;) I would like to start by restating that I am one of the designers of the Sierra Flight Systems EFIS 2000 so you should consider everything I say to be biased. Having said that, lets take a closer look at the hardware. There are no detailed specifications listed on the site so I am guessing at the guts. The Blue Mountain system appears to be an interesting software application running on a commercial off the shelf hardware (COTS). I would guess that they use a Computer Dynamics industrial display, a Laptop DVD, a PC104 stack for the processor and sensors and some kind of power supply. The vacuum powered mechanical gyro for attitude sensing is scary. Once in the clouds you are hanging by a "vacuum pump-mechanical gyro-AP sensor-wiring-power supply-processor-display" thread. Failure of any one of these elements and you are gone in 60 seconds. I didn't see any flags for vacuum or gyro failure so how would you know? As with most things technical, the devil is in the details and it is the details that scare me. Other companies like Archangel (or Darkangel as they came to be known) have had the right window dressing but lacked the reliability needed for a primary flight display. What about vibration, HIRF (lightning), P-Static, unusual attitudes (tumble the gyro) and electrical system failures. If you are flying day VFR AND have backup steam gauges then the Blue Mountain system is probably OK. Reliability issues aside, what are you really getting for $9K? In broad strokes you are getting an attitude indicator, HSI, moving map, air data and engine instruments in one display. If the display or backlight goes TU you loose everything so anything you need to put the airplane back on the ground needs backup. The AI is just a digital representation of the analog gauge. The fact that is digitally displayed buys you nothing but less reliability. Having a HSI AND a moving map is a little silly as an HSI is just a crude moving map. I have said it before and it is worth repeating, HSI is dead and the mental gymnastics required to operate and interpret it are no longer needed. Those neurons can now be put to better use helping you to remember your wife's birthday. Air data needs backup with an altimeter and airspeed at a minimum. Same for the engine instruments (MAP and Tach). I would propose that for about the same cost as a Blue Mountain with backups and radios you could have conventional steam gauges, a VMS 1000, a Garmin 430 (530) and a RMI Micro Encoder. Just considering single point failure modes, the reliability of this system would be orders of magnitude greater than the Blue Mountain system with the same functionality and cost. "But I WANT a glass cockpit!" you say. Well, I want a CJ5 but if I take a 210 and paint it to look like a CJ5 it will cost less but it won't be the same. There are only two ways to get reliability, spend a bunch of money OR have redundant systems WITHOUT single point failure modes. Unless you are the Federal Government, the later is your only option. The SFS hardware is recursively redundant. Lose a display and the other one takes over. Lose GPS and the Inertial Navigation takes over. Lose AHRS and the system reverts to 2 D navigation. Lose Air Data and the GPS and Inertial systems compensate. The EFIS-2000 is one tough mother to kill. Do not imagine for a moment that the Blue Mountain fellow has discovered a way to make a system comparable to the SFS EFIS-2000 for 1/2 to 1/3 the cost. The solid state attitude and heading reference system (AHRS) costs Sierra Flight Systems about as much as Blue Mountain is asking for their entire system. You get what you pay for. Yea, I know, reality bites. 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