Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao12.cox.net ([68.230.241.27] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 323732 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:19:36 -0400 Received-SPF: error receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.27; envelope-from=daveleonard@cox.net Received: from davidandanne ([68.111.224.107]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040716161908.LJEL3026.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@davidandanne> for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:19:08 -0400 From: "DaveLeonard" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] M/T Props Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:19:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C46B15.F2D3AB60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C46B15.F2D3AB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Ken, That would be great if I haven't been able to find an RV-ator in the mean time. Dave Leonard Dave, There has been a comparison of props in RVator within the past year. I don't remember the results but surely someone here has the last few issues and can look this up for us. If not, send me a reminder at the end of August and I'll look it up when I get back from Glasgow, Scotland (on business, not pleasure). The info is at my office and I'm on vacation tommorrow and next week, then on Sunday off to Glasgow for a month. Ken Powell -------------- Original message -------------- > I was really thinking about getting an MT as well, until some of the guys on > the ACRE list told me about how many people are finding that the MT is > significantly slower than a FP alum prop. > > Seems like a whole bunch of money to spend on something that doesn't help a > lot. > > Dave Leonard > > > > > > > > > > From: Mark Steitle > > > Date: 2004/07/14 Wed PM 01:25:58 GMT > > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Jim Ayers - M/T Props > > > > > > At 01:03 PM 7/14/2004 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mark Steitle > > > > > Date: 2004/07/14 Wed PM 12:26:55 GMT > > > > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Jim Ayers - M/T Props > > > > > > > > > > At 07:16 PM 7/13/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >Mark Steitle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hey Guys, > > > > > >>A little while back a message was posted giving Jim Ayers > > (Less Drag > > > > > >>Products, Inc.) as a good source for M/T props. I have > > contacted Jim > > > > and > > > > > >>he has given a pretty good price (that's relative) on a > > 3-blade M/T > > > > > >>prop. My question is this, has anyone on this list dealt with Mr. > > > > > >>Ayers? If so, was everything handled per agreement? I > > have no problem > > > > > >>sending Tracy a check for a few thousand dollars, but I > > don't know this > > > > > >>gentleman, and though it would be prudent to ask around first. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Thanks, > > > > > >>Mark S. > > > > > >>msteitle@mail.utexas.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > >I can't offer an experience-based opinion on his honesty, > > but I have met > > > > > >him & he seems to be a nice enough guy. His current claim > > to fame on the > > > > > >RV list is an insult swapping match with JT Helms, the > > insurance agent > > > > > >that runs the 'Vanguard' RV insurance program. (Rooted in some > > > > > >misunderstanding of insurance by Jim & some insulting & tactless > > > > > >'corrections' from JT.) > > > > > > > > > > > >Why not just place the order in writing, pay him by major > > credit card & > > > > > >send it through the US Mail? Most credit card companies > > can & will be a > > > > > >major help if merchants fail to deliver, and Postal > > Inspectors take a > > > > very > > > > > >dim & aggressive view of mail fraud. > > > > > > > > > > > >Charlie > > > > > Charlie, > > > > > Good suggestions. I emailed the MT factory to verify his dealership > > > > > authorization and got a reply this morning. He is highly > > recommended by > > > > > them. Thanks for your input. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > >For the $ and the construction technique (all cf), try > > Whirlwind props. I > > > >know a few experimental acrobatic pilots and they love > > them-light, cs if > > > >you want, and great. They take lots of abuse. > > > >Marc Wiese > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > Marc, > > > I went to the Whirlwind website and read about their different > > models of > > > props. I didn't see where they make an electric CS model. So, > > I sent them > > > an email and will let the group know what they say. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark S. > > No electric cs from Whirlwind. You are going cs? Try the Marcotte > > gearbox or Francois' new one and use a standard cs hub with the > > Whirlwind graphite blades. It's only money. > > Marc > > > > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C46B15.F2D3AB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks=20 Ken,  That would be great if I haven't been able to find an RV-ator = in the=20 mean time.
 
Dave=20 Leonard


 

Dave,

There has been a comparison of props in RVator within the past = year. =20 I don't remember the results but surely someone here has the last few = issues=20 and can look this up for us.  If not, send me a reminder at the = end of=20 August and I'll look it up when I get back from Glasgow, Scotland (on=20 business, not pleasure).  The info is at my office and I'm on = vacation=20 tommorrow and next week, then on Sunday off to Glasgow for a = month.

Ken Powell

--------------=20 Original message --------------

> I was really thinking = about=20 getting an MT as well, until some of the guys on
> the ACRE = list told=20 me about how many people are finding that the MT is
> = significantly=20 slower than a FP alum prop.
>
> Seems like a whole = bunch of=20 money to spend on something that doesn't help a
> lot. =
>=20
> Dave Leonard
>
>
> >
> > = >=20
> > > From: Mark Steitle =
>=20 > > Date: 2004/07/14 Wed PM 01:25:58 GMT
> > > = To:=20 "Rotary motors in aircraft"
> = > >=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Jim Ayers - M/T Props
> > > =
>=20 > > At 01:03 PM 7/14/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> > > =
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Mark = Steitle=20
> > > > > Date: = 2004/07/14 Wed=20 PM 12:26:55 GMT
> > > > > To: "Rotary motors in = aircraft"=20
> > > > > Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Jim Ayers - M/T Props
> > > > > =
>=20 > > > > At 07:16 PM 7/13/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> = >=20 > > > >Mark Steitle wrote:
> > > > > = >=20
> > > > > >>Hey Guys,
> > > = > >=20 >>A little while back a message was posted giving Jim Ayers =
>=20 > (Less Drag
> > > > > >>Products, Inc.) = as a=20 good source for M/T props. I have
> > contacted Jim =
> >=20 > > and
> > > > > >>he has given a = pretty=20 good price (that's relative) on a
> > 3-blade M/T
> = >=20 > > > >>prop. My question is this, has anyone on this = list=20 dealt with Mr.
> > > > > >>Ayers? If so, = was=20 everything handled per agreement? I
> > have no problem =
>=20 > > > > >>sending Tracy a check for a few thousand = dollars, but I
> > don't know this
> > > > = >=20 >>gentleman, and though it would be prudent to ask around = first.=20
> > > > > >>
> > > > >=20 >>Thanks,
> > > > > >>Mark S. =
> >=20 > > > >>msteitle@mail.utexas.edu
> > > = > >=20 >
> > > > > >
> > > > > = >Hi=20 Mark,
> > > > > >
> > > > > = >I=20 can't offer an experience-based opinion on his honesty,
> = > but I=20 have met
> > > > > >him & he seems to be a = nice=20 enough guy. His current claim
> > to fame on the
> = >=20 > > > >RV list is an insult swapping match with JT = Helms, the=20
> > insurance agent
> > > > > >that = runs the=20 'Vanguard' RV insurance program. (Rooted in some
> > > = >=20 > >misunderstanding of insurance by Jim & some insulting = &=20 tactless
> > > > > >'corrections' from JT.) =
>=20 > > > > >
> > > > > >Why not = just place=20 the order in writing, pay him by major
> > credit card = &=20
> > > > > >send it through the US Mail? Most = credit=20 card companies
> > can & will be a
> > > = >=20 > >major help if merchants fail to deliver, and Postal =
> >=20 Inspectors take a
> > > > very
> > > = > >=20 >dim & aggressive view of mail fraud.
> > > > = >=20 >
> > > > > >Charlie
> > > = > >=20 Charlie,
> > > > > Good suggestions. I emailed = the MT=20 factory to verify his dealership
> > > > > = authorization=20 and got a reply this morning. He is highly
> > recommended = by=20
> > > > > them. Thanks for your input.
> = > >=20 > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > = >For the $=20 and the construction technique (all cf), try
> > Whirlwind = props.=20 I
> > > >know a few experimental acrobatic pilots = and they=20 love
> > them-light, cs if
> > > >you = want, and=20 great. They take lots of abuse.
> > > >Marc Wiese =
>=20 > > >
> > > >
> > > > = >>=20 Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> > > > >> = Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html
> = >=20 > Marc,
> > > I went to the Whirlwind website and = read about=20 their different
> > models of
> > > props. I = didn't=20 see where they make an electric CS model. So,
> > I sent = them=20
> > > an email and will let the group know what they = say.=20
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > = Mark S.=20
> > No electric cs from Whirlwind. You are going cs? Try = the=20 Marcotte
> > gearbox or Francois' new one and use a = standard cs=20 hub with the
> > Whirlwind graphite blades. It's only = money.=20
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > = >>=20 Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> > >> Archive:=20 http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>
> =
> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> = >>=20 Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=20
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