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[220.235.108.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o194-20020a62cdcb000000b006dab0d72cd0sm2161019pfg.214.2024.01.26.22.42.33 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Jan 2024 22:42:34 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.200.91.1.1\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Milling exhaust manifold flat? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:42:20 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.200.91.1.1) Hi Finn We modified the OEM headers by welding a new flange to the sawn off = version with a sweeping bend back to the exit through a resonator (see = photo).=20 We discovered that the flanges warped and the gasket leaked. We had the = flanges milled but the same thing has happened. As we have a slip joint down stream from that flange I=E2=80=99m about = to remove most of the flanges OD back to round and weld the flanges = together. This will reduce weight and allow me to wrap the wend back to the = headers more effectively. As far as intake manifold, you could purchase the aluminium section of = an old 4 port OEM intake and cut it back and weld on some new runners.=20= I used the existing OEM secondaries while welding new primary's to the = siamese flange/plate.=20 In the photo you can see where I cut the secondaries and turned the = upstream section through 180 deg and rewelded the secondaries. This made the manifold point down rather than up. You can see the new = primaries that meet the secondaries at the VDI valve manifold (I cut off = the SSV Secondary Shutter Valve). I had to lengthen a grinding stone shaft but managed to smooth the weld = (that penetrated the secondary runners) nicely in the end. I=E2=80=99ve been meaning to put a cable on the VDI valve and see if = opening the valve gives me more power above 6500RPM.=20 My primaries and secondaries ended up different lengths so the VDI might = not work very well. If I had my time over I think I would weld new straight runners onto a = cutoff OEM flange with an intake plenem and TB. A bit short but simple. Hoping your mods work well Finn. I=E2=80=99m retesting my new cooling system tomorrow hopefully. Last test revealed best H2O coolant cooling but Oil was way hotter.=20 I realised that I hadn=E2=80=99t refitted some fairings at the cowl = exits that I=E2=80=99m hoping messed up the exit air flow and so are = retesting tomorrow. Hoping for a better result. Photos following Cheers Steve > On 27 Jan 2024, at 4:08=E2=80=AFam, Finn Lassen = finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >=20 > When I welded on my stock Renesis exhaust manifold the end I welded = the 270 deg bend on got warped. >=20 > It's about 0.04" bent away from completely flat at the top flange at = flywheel end. >=20 > Doesn't seem to have been an issue during the 100+ hours the engine = has run. >=20 > But for peace of mind I'm wondering if I should mill the three flanges = flat. >=20 > Is it true that I'll need a carbide end mill to do this? Even a 1/2" = carbide end mill is close to $30. >=20 > Finn >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html