Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #67562
From: David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: RD-C input shaft failure
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:15:12 -0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I cannot recall exactly,  Tracy seemed convinced that the engineering was sufficient, which I is another reason that I believe is was a problem with vibration at low power during descents.  I vaguely recall that maybe at some point he started using bigger pins, but thats all I got.

Dave Leonard

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 7:24 AM Marc Wiese cardmarc@charter.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Did Tracy ever publish a fix for this failure mode, and did ALL his models have this weakness? IOW, was there ever a -D model or when did the C begin the mods to overcome this weakness?

M

 



On 28 Nov 2023, at 12:07 pm, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

 

Hi Dennis,

This happened to me 3 times, Once with the older style weld, and then twice with the pin.  After the pin sheared for the second time I sent it back to Tracy and he placed a second pin 90 deg to the first one.  That fix has held up for a couple hundred hours including racing at Reno (appx 300h.p.).

 

Of note, 2 of the failures occurred during long gradual descents at low power.  The other occurred after a backfire during start-up.  I have a suspicion that low power descents cause the prop and engine to alternately overrun each other causing a rapid hammering back and forth.  This problem is made worse by the somewhat lax gear leash that Tracy designed into the PSRU.  I believe that was a good choice for normal operation but may make things worse during periods when the plane is pushing the prop yet enough power is being produced to cause the torque to alternate directions.

 

So in addition to the 2 pins, I now make sure that I keep adequate power applied throughout descents so that the torque remains positive.  In steep descents idle power will probably allow the torque to remain negative which is also OK.

 

Hope you are doing well, glad to hear that you are still flying. A machine shop should be able to place a new pin and machine a hole for a second pin.

 

Cheers.

David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6,  N4VY

 

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 7:09 PM Dennis Haverlah clouduster@austin.rr.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

The shaft between the RX-8 engine and the reduction drive unit has a gear secured to the shaft with a steel pin.  (The gear drives the planetary gear set). The steel pin sheared off allowing the gear to rotate on the  shaft.   I understand this has happened to others in the past.   I’ve heard that several fixes were proposed or tried – welding the pin to the gear, doing more deforming of  the pin at the gear surface or installing a tighter or larger pin.   I have another new shaft/gear assembly I plan to install  after I incorporate  improvements. 

When the pin sheared the gear only rotated about 3/32 inch on the shaft. The two pieces of the pin outside the shaft were thrown out of the gear and apparently were chewed into very small particles by the  planetary gear assembly. 

 

Any info. You may have will be highly appreciated!

I have about 920 hours on my RX-8 engine in my RV-7A

 

Dennis Haverlah

512-921-0636

 

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