X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: "Les C lesphoto@hotmail.com" Received: from [40.92.20.10] (HELO NAM11-BN8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.13) with ESMTPS id 1322154 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:20:09 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=40.92.20.10; envelope-from=lesphoto@hotmail.com ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=mRGhA/a9QETe2X2xhtwhPFp6wwo83pK5YO6xD7lIflz2Po5tsv6dRs5s+vLAerxGPIlm0WAxNLXVbENmMFQN1e9E7VfY1JsHD2WxheXqHFziEhe4rGjmcC7gNWIUr6WvoY+pIjRhSSk2bYxswkQnt4d2Yoind3tpJZbrn9zO1kqxpcWmovOzM88b3zAFwDf18M0FsvbV2ngpnl3gCpqd/mn/+ZOOoWHHQ/tD2HESQjugnWXthaae4B9j2bqrs1KDEN1PE15Hbb9zj2TDKE/xZov/RTIrE0iB79rtEn9mVLhuTt22XMo0MBf54lBsbVccK7wIW6AYsM56jBTsRa+iMQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=imIGrtn1kpoV1+aXgumXzASgGAuwLvJpsLgGvPvie4o=; b=V0aFRHRHy35MVBDpyuLZ6At9u1EEZ8UGJu5D1o4mq8vPXxMt+9OK3H3iEitJBWSz6x/6mINXmq/sucS6t40q/ilfVD/+sS7XMfDkBXF2PCRY/B+sroeJsxD3ubWAK/AA0CXrvDQyjUAcw5GsZuMbQeKaewou0QuQpDsQTdX97Kg4evVoZAkroqAtKfj3ReN592rZvxlWNKqSGpwQlj1j1uqNXBraIrczva6DGLVDgHzoKV8VAsHwJ7PkhU6spphoDuZBVhI1DA6mSysG8xIZRZc8r9g9ArT+qKa1XAOb/fJY2P04er1o0ZPCvZ+GToTYC7PkkQFOc0u4R5PGvCKe3w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=imIGrtn1kpoV1+aXgumXzASgGAuwLvJpsLgGvPvie4o=; b=rUAUMTZzEIThdBS3UR2b5rzQitx6I66GVwgFxabDqE3c+7MMZkxWEMMmemu4RXOTM224ckq8FNOLLAANhHBRGtrz/7JiCWuqTkLaCBFAHhgKFhtHMd2OpnBN+d/7st7hgBa2sxrXqmF7dOBwOnvrAFfuoQx0QiqzZzeTxJtJhA9rzHlSQDX+M4KLJIV4PQdhTYNQHXlxfFj7pCk0FBpjgj8g5GS3wyEIy+Os4uk3K+yeMSKgfQbFbILdPebmF3/6wINj4vop3aXM+TMQqcN3xn0mi+OjlGpVSla130zJmeGrDHUMLlDWKdN4/VksGObeJMd2jMaZazZ6Itng5cTrMQ== Received: from BN6PR19MB3395.namprd19.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:405:84::18) by MN2PR19MB3774.namprd19.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:208:19f::17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.5566.21; Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:19:51 +0000 Received: from BN6PR19MB3395.namprd19.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b0d4:ac94:7c77:944d]) by BN6PR19MB3395.namprd19.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b0d4:ac94:7c77:944d%5]) with mapi id 15.20.5566.021; Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:19:51 +0000 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Resurrecting my project Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Resurrecting my project Thread-Index: AQHYu8UgxG0q4mj57km4uH5OLvIjFa3GHPUx Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:19:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: msip_labels: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [bZyKJDjRVs1+vEWWZOUCwd9z/qJGuT1vG3lQbh8kAyU=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 1f445629-d1fc-47d9-fc48-08da89e2ae9b x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MN2PR19MB3774:EE_ x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: =?Windows-1252?Q?szNVKTPvHbuV+uzJmTGPyREQ7G6B+OaN5GP3wIl4dZ2DDJIHCw7XwKbi?= =?Windows-1252?Q?rC4vXYUGfMdljCfzwEFXnpJLYivxtKwT05rplTt0ghBjrae6IZ2i2AxV?= =?Windows-1252?Q?vBE9VSoktrNGPlinr7u3Gl6zZBiec7C/g7c084OgRg6vQbPHPQ6c+oP6?= =?Windows-1252?Q?unCaI+MMjZJC8I7tQdezfhQuL+nWjdpgzw8m0VkS94bVj8cRsH51C0zD?= =?Windows-1252?Q?NfAEFgYB3YbMq4K6XNJ+uVYuTIxRag6937P9aWergMrsiw4Lh97lnZ3f?= =?Windows-1252?Q?FYvBVHZRG1YqKfyExD8BH6ieR00q0aXLx0unoPnnLsmqshxBotty4Z7g?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Hag4W17K0fJjNDuO163afJWBnYM6sAipSS8Lkag5vK/7+JiyMODbLEYT?= =?Windows-1252?Q?QWF1KIRdRBgXyWeYldNj1HoocbnXbbeJd6oKct02YMDtSNFjWLfoksXX?= =?Windows-1252?Q?2f7cIvzbGQzq+eGTYkZkiyP/ZPtETeAlOKY+pQMoW+80HEsAJbMWLr8s?= =?Windows-1252?Q?v2J/ZQtTMBKyEIpIMk+7oiO+hj8/vk6B6TWafjWXPK0zRssY6NkK/14A?= =?Windows-1252?Q?muo/XFaVoQ/7FHy31CzAO0LxzVgXPAMmoFu4ahwSZvzVxWGoaOVBQoae?= =?Windows-1252?Q?BB7LjQVO0ES6ZuS3UeHwLrU5OYcZ8CnbJ/n2Ld8ERsgsxL6D77MVJnGN?= =?Windows-1252?Q?cdOga0g2XRnJQbUMdvkyXaiLcJU65FbKhaLuM8/Bwl+xIT+0Mn4ZQI36?= =?Windows-1252?Q?xT+XFM7Z7QRb/fq9+PO52eDQF1HkyHXaODO4eIn6QWdF5tktw4SnQND/?= =?Windows-1252?Q?H8JoW2SlFy9NuEuQ1LdgsX6dxJn1YH7WH8AbW7tCchS3GHpvQzvVIT7g?= =?Windows-1252?Q?4omQjLRw82XNNSoHpf1mfaoIgA7eqYDh+IKAP+a72Uv94d4rPKWOjAv1?= =?Windows-1252?Q?yZ4JIYxLo/78pCe3RI1FYsYSm2/jGT3HAcRBfeC1kRj+KHRVGqVo1kyI?= =?Windows-1252?Q?M8ZXKPrRxX+f78PISyzXPf1gWoYMyw2H/hmYWLGhj9TFPiaA8jaz8EWL?= =?Windows-1252?Q?A07K51uQkMpyPguPx6SE2Z1owckBYf7DJsAZPzDOk0PrKfVEemWkhCTM?= =?Windows-1252?Q?K+7WX1PW/CsyzcM4IuRXvhEvSHzIFW2y5jYulnnVb6IFCTdi/zThum0G?= =?Windows-1252?Q?zNGtY4hRiRTwSYg6dQhGf91zT7/WleGmTG9JExSgCAjJBbUQSJmZyB8u?= =?Windows-1252?Q?/fvc2wNEBmVu1b9z6bm47uqSYKIn+AzeTuejulQ9Ea2P9RRalMC23rmL?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Xhw8tPyHrnj6DCIs0/1euXoGhwxV+q+smA72qd+sqJ9Co4gWh8g6LEwG?= =?Windows-1252?Q?IcThnVurwMfXqw=3D=3D?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BN6PR19MB33954AFA50081A501EB3B966D9769BN6PR19MB3395namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-4755-11-msonline-outlook-e7757.templateTenant X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BN6PR19MB3395.namprd19.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 1f445629-d1fc-47d9-fc48-08da89e2ae9b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 29 Aug 2022 17:19:51.0793 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR19MB3774 --_000_BN6PR19MB33954AFA50081A501EB3B966D9769BN6PR19MB3395namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Mark, welcome back. I bought a 20b from Bob Harrah and plan on using it with the Megasquirt sys= tem. I've been using a Microsquirt (same tech/company-small footprint) on = my V8 jeep for the last 11 years. Easy to program and an abundance of help= . These have been used on automotive based rotary engines for a while. I'm= going to use the MS3 Pro inmy project. When paired with a tablet, you ha= ve a fully programmable unit with a customizable ECU/EIS. More inputs and o= utputs than almost any other product and great data recording capabilities. There are many other ECU choices, but some aren't as robust, and don't have= an open-source architecture. I'm working on my airframe right now, but can't wait to get started on the = engine program. https://www.diyautotune.com/product/ms3pro-ultimate-standalone-ecu-only/ [https://www.diyautotune.com/wp-content/uploads/Ultimate3_sqare_watermark.j= pg] MS3Pro ULTIMATE Standalone Engine Management System - ECU Only - DIYAutoTun= e.com MS3Pro ULTIMATE was designed as a complete solution for high horsepower NA = and boosted engine combos. Controls 4 cams, on-board MAP & peak & hold driv= ers. www.diyautotune.com Les Criscillo Nurse, Pilot, Brewmaster, Maker https://eaabuilderslog.org/?blproject&proj=3D7XSZ512C2 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of = Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 12:32 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Resurrecting my project Hi Mark, Welcome back! Finn's probably the go-to guy on progreaming at this point. = I have the EC2 for my Renesis (updated to current software around the time = Tracy retired), and I've considered switching to either the Microsquirt or = the SpeedUino, as well. MS is pretty expensive once you buy two & set up th= e relays to switch between them, but I can't yet get comfortable with using= the consumer grade processor in the heart of the SpeedUino for a/c control= . If there's an option out there for a hardened, industrial grade controlle= r that's plug&play, I'd seriously consider it. I decided to use equal size aftermarket injectors, hoping it will simplify = final tuning, but don't know if it was a wise choice; I haven't made engine= noise yet. Charlie On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:45 AM Mark McClure mark.mcclure.m3@gmail.com > wrote: So after a few years hiatus of working on the project, I am back at it. Glasair Super 2 with 4 port RENESIS. Feels good, except I cannot remember all of my plans, nor some of the decis= ions I made. 2 sets of bell mouths for the intake, obviously one was first= =85 and one was =93decided on=94 I purchased my EC-3 back in 2012. I believe at the time I asked Tracy for R= ENESIS engine with stock injectors and LS1 coils. Searching through the arc= hives, it seems Finn Lassen found that the EC3 is not programmed correctly = to represent that? Or maybe I misread it. All my electronic pieces are still unopened and no work has really been sta= rted on installing any of it. I am working on getting all the ancillary sys= tems such as intake, exhaust, oil and cooling setup. So a few questions for the group: 1) ditch the EC3 and EM3 altogether (and provide it to someone else as a ba= ckup) Start acquiring/learning SpeedUino or some other system? 2) continue with what I have (is there some way to validate or change the p= rogramming of the EC3?) 3) unrelated: Anyone made the swap to yellow and blue injectors for RENESIS= and are happy with their decision? Or stick with red and blue? Appreciate any insights from others' experiences as I get back at this. Warm regards, Mark McClure 60% Glasair Super 2TD 35% 13b --_000_BN6PR19MB33954AFA50081A501EB3B966D9769BN6PR19MB3395namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Mark, welcome back.

I bought a 20b from Bob Harrah and plan on using it with the Megasquirt sys= tem.  I've been using a Microsquirt (same tech/company-small footprint= ) on my V8 jeep for the last 11 years.  Easy to program and an abundan= ce of help.  These have been used on automotive based rotary engines for a while. I'm going to use the MS3 Pro inmy projec= t.   When paired with a tablet, you have a fully programmable uni= t with a customizable ECU/EIS. More inputs and outputs than almost any othe= r product and great data recording capabilities.  

There are many other ECU choices, but some aren't as robust, and don't have= an open-source architecture.  

I'm working on my airframe right now, but can't wait to get started on the = engine program. 

 
3D""
MS3Pro ULTIMATE was designed as a complete solution for high horsepower NA = and boosted engine combos. Controls 4 cams, on-board MAP & peak & h= old drivers.
www.diyautotune.com


Les Criscillo
Nurse, Pilot, Brewmaster, Maker

From: Rotary motors in airc= raft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of Charlie England ceeng= land7@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 12:32 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Resurrecting my project
 
Hi Mark,

Welcome back! Finn= 's probably the go-to guy on progreaming at this point.  I have the EC= 2 for my Renesis (updated to current software around the time Tracy retired= ), and I've considered switching to either the Microsquirt or the SpeedUino, as well. MS is pretty expensive once you= buy two & set up the relays to switch between them, but I can't yet ge= t comfortable with using the consumer grade processor in the heart of the S= peedUino for a/c control. If there's an option out there for a hardened, industrial grade controller that's plu= g&play, I'd seriously consider it.

I decided to use e= qual size aftermarket injectors, hoping it will simplify final tuning, but = don't know if it was a wise choice; I haven't made engine noise yet.

Charlie

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:45 AM Ma= rk McClure mark.mcclure.m3@gmail.com = <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net> wrote:
So after a f= ew years hiatus of working on the project, I am back at it.
Glasair Super 2 with 4 p= ort RENESIS.

Feels good, except I can= not remember all of my plans, nor some of the decisions I made. 2 sets of b= ell mouths for the intake, obviously one was first=85 and one was =93decide= d on=94

I purchased my EC-3 back in 2012. I believe at the time I asked = Tracy for RENESIS engine with stock injectors and LS1 coils. Searching thro= ugh the archives, it seems Finn Lassen found that the EC3 is not programmed correctly to represent that? Or maybe= I misread it.

All my electronic pieces are still unopened and no work has real= ly been started on installing any of it. I am working on getting all the an= cillary systems such as intake, exhaust, oil and cooling setup. 

So a few questions for the group:
1) ditch the EC3 and EM3 altogether (and provide it to someone e= lse as a backup) Start acquiring/learning SpeedUino or some other syst= em?
2) continue with what I have (is there some way to validate or c= hange the programming of the EC3?)
3) unrelated: Anyone made the swap to yellow and blue injectors = for RENESIS and are happy with their decision? Or stick with red and blue?<= /font>

Appreciate any insights from others' experiences as I get back a= t this. 

Warm regards,
Mark McClure

60% Glasair Super 2TD
35% 13b
--_000_BN6PR19MB33954AFA50081A501EB3B966D9769BN6PR19MB3395namp_--