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Thread-Index: AQHXgibZsvJmD4lldEeS23lG+MOyVqtVlb0o Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:37:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:884836A61087072B1695D267870D7D818B81B4DC24DCE06761BC51D20808463E;UpperCasedChecksum:C932EE31FA021499C0B11216F0B4E0BCFEBA989C569B8ECCF53635DBDC4D2532;SizeAsReceived:6759;Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [LZj5pTvNQ1DL24u455GgV4excE9rBzXQ] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: af60b96b-db24-4000-e591-08d95064767b x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BN7NAM10HT049: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: H5C5qmuiIJcuQJGLH3HrEkzITxeL/0/3RyZfmsfyt5bgXyf0OUy2RuesLIt52aiJ6uAEtz7nuuNCH3H6qqUCuR/W7mIZJFgYGrFRX9LPkIY/DQl5CTm1MyftSf/WxnxKrWPxWvAp1vO9JhqVox/HzHeZspsYk9xBfJzyET+OumD27fl772PFOCfl/OZ7rln7mOaQMYvPXdrKEumi08uJn6LC9eQKpDkM+vReVr8OoIOrlYZkHnwBQGWoL0Ee0wXEh0vRe5/s60IWlI/ri3mKO5e8Qt7b43xsPqFlJobcyRPEbvAAd9I2CK0j5qhghrNEy1zwt7IEsqKjsyNrp4MHddLqw2PnscgPruGo2xtn/CMw682yWXiPdOwWP53hDHueS2zDjra0xKmtF30SLE9YKXjVwYrv+139Ol1hpBSn425huIiVHd3rFvHPuR+uEi8k x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: dN3KsX692hSdzVbM0jX0rmtrjOriufW1QTgSBu+euYh9129ZfhtHxzEXbxXQZguEWhp36hiValg8EbFc0mgYjCwuy1AGUOqrUjPmAuHge4PX5kOY+hNza3ylDYlFtjg7yWABHl+tQ72g3xQkGntecw== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BN8PR19MB2435678ADA6E419FF5CA2A70D9E89BN8PR19MB2435namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BN7NAM10FT068.eop-nam10.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: af60b96b-db24-4000-e591-08d95064767b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 26 Jul 2021 18:37:46.3859 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN7NAM10HT049 --_000_BN8PR19MB2435678ADA6E419FF5CA2A70D9E89BN8PR19MB2435namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, Les here....in in Crystal Beach and have a 20b sitting in my garage = waiting to be installed in my BD-4. I'd love to see your shiny motor! Les Criscillo Pilot, Brewmaster, Maker ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of = James Whitehurst flyboyusvi@gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:01:43 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC-2 system, move to Fueltech? Hi all, I've been reading the mail for years...and it's been that long to g= et my Billet motors! They are beautiful and worth waiting for! I am finall= y working on the intake and turbo exhaust manifolds! So...since the topic i= s up and I am almost ready for ignition and fuel control systems, let me he= ar from those who have made mistakes and those that are totally happy with = their selection of engine management systems on the 13b and why! What I sho= uld buy??? Thanks, James Whitehurst...relocated to Crystal Beach FL. Buildi= ng 4 place twin 13b pusher amphibian. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 5:27 PM 12348ung@gmail.com= > wrote: Dave, Have been running the fueltech for some time now and cann= ot fault it. Just putting my motor back finally with the turbo attached. = Cowl a =BD inch too narrow, so back to fibreglassing and reconnecting every= thing in between the day jobs. Have a great support bloke here that is just a phone call away which is an = enormous help. Neil. From: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:04 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] EC-2 system, move to Fueltech? Hi Dennis, Such a hard time tracking down those things. BTW, do you happen to know t= he voltage that the EC2 feeds the PCM? 5v or 12? Soneone mentioned that he was using the Fueltech so I looked into it and bo= ught one, mostly because it is a lot more flexible than the EC2 to help tro= ubleshoot issues. It also doubles as an expansive and flexible engine moni= tor. For $1500 it duplicates the functions of the EC2 and provides a comp= letely flexible engine monitor that can use virtually any automotive or air= craft sensors and also control things such as fuel pumps, aux fans, wastega= tes, cowl flap motors... whatever you can dream up. The display is small = but configurable and it is also to build multiple units on a CAN bus to pro= vide redundantcy and additional screens. Plug into your PC to upload and d= ownload engine data and mixture maps. I dont have it running yet, but I mad a harness addaaptor to keep all my pr= evious EC2 wiring. Will let the group know when I get it working and provide a full report. I= n the meantime it is something to look into. Dave Leonard On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 2:34 PM Dennis Haverlah clouduster@austin.rr.com > wrote: Bobby Hughes recently posted information on how I thought I had corrupted t= he EC-2 in my RV-7A. All I tried to do was use mode 4 to balance the front = rotor ECT to match the rear rotor ECT!! Bobby and I worked together to test= the unit in the plane for over 5 hours last week! Thank You Bobby!! We were able to change or reset some programmable values but when we starte= d the engine and tried to adjust anything the system was uncontrollable! = Bobby =96 with my encouragement - removed the EC-2 circuit board and we vi= sually inspected it =96 all looked fine. The next day I removed the EC-2 (E= PB?) engine program board. I found the MODE selection micro switch has one= side of the switch unsealed. We than suspected the switch may be at faul= t. Static testing of the switch with an ohm meter showed it worked fine. A picture of the failed Mode switch: [switch] Bobby graciously loaned me his EC-2 EPB board to try . I installed Bobby=92s EPB and the problem has never showed up again. We reset all engine parameters to factory settings and the engine ran OK. = We went through the normal routine of adjusting engine fuel flow and I re= entered my latest copy of the Mixture Control Table. Now the engine is r= unning fine and I have flown it. I will be fine tuning the MCT some. Duri= ng this process the EC-2 programing worked perfectly. We have received several GREAT Emails concerning reprogramming the EC-2 co= mputer chips and we are working to get the equipment to copy the EC-2 softw= are and than dump it into new EC-2 chips. Other great info. sent to us incl= uded instructions on excessing and reading the Hex Values of the engine ope= rating settings =96 fuel flow, timing, staging point etc. using the EM-2. = This allowed us to take pictures of the table =96 make changes =96 and see= the values changed. After this experience, I would like to find a replacement for my EPB. If = I am unsuccessful, I will try to replace all the mechanical components =96 = switches and veriable resistance pots. Not easy for me to do! I also woul= d be interested in getting a spare LARGE BOX (6 =BC INCH SQUARE BOX ) EC-2= that Tracy set up for LS-1 and Mazda RX-8 coils as a spare. If someone h= as one of these they will not be using I would be interested in purchasing = it as well as an EM-2. I currently have access to a large box 3 rotor EC-2 we may be able to repro= gram and convert to a 2 rotor model. Dennis Haverlah RV-7A 900 hrs on Renesis RX 8, 4 port engine Tracy=92s gear box RD1 =96 C, EC =96 2 and EM -2 --_000_BN8PR19MB2435678ADA6E419FF5CA2A70D9E89BN8PR19MB2435namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
James, Les here....in in Crystal Beach and have a 20b sitting in my garage = waiting to be installed in my BD-4. I'd love to see your shiny motor!

Les Criscillo
Pilot, Brewmaster, Maker

From: Rotary motors in airc= raft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of James Whitehurst flyb= oyusvi@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:01:43 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC-2 system, move to Fueltech?
 
Hi all, I've been reading the mail for years...and it's b= een that long to get my Billet motors! They are beautiful and worth waiting= for!  I am finally working on the intake and turbo exhaust manifolds!= So...since the topic is up and I am almost ready for ignition and fuel control systems, let me hear from those who ha= ve made mistakes and those that are totally happy with their selection of e= ngine management systems on the 13b and why! What I should buy??? Thanks, J= ames Whitehurst...relocated to Crystal Beach FL. Building  4 place twin 13b pusher amphibian.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 5:27 PM 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net<= /a>> wrote:

Dave,

     = ;             H= ave been running the fueltech for some time now and cannot fault it.  = Just putting my motor back finally with the turbo attached.  Cowl a = =BD inch too narrow, so back to fibreglassing and reconnecting everything in between the day jobs.  

Have a great support bloke he= re that is just a phone call away which is an enormous help.<= /span>

Neil.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:04 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] EC-2 system, move to Fueltech?

 

Hi Dennis,

 

Such a hard time tracking down those things. =  BTW, do you happen to know the voltage that the EC2 feeds the PCM?&n= bsp; 5v or 12?

 

Soneone mentioned that he was using the Fueltech s= o I looked into it and bought one, mostly because it is a lot more flexible= than the EC2 to help troubleshoot issues.  It also doubles as an expa= nsive and flexible engine monitor.   For $1500 it duplicates the functions of the EC2 and provides a completely fle= xible engine monitor that can use virtually any automotive or aircraft sens= ors and also control things such as fuel pumps, aux fans, wastegates, cowl = flap motors...  whatever you can dream up.  The display is small but configurable and it is also to bu= ild multiple units on a CAN bus to provide redundantcy and additional scree= ns.  Plug into your PC to upload and download engine data and mixture = maps.

 

I dont have it running yet, but I mad a harness ad= daaptor to keep all my previous EC2 wiring.  

 

Will let the group know when I get it working and = provide a full report.  In the meantime it is something to look into.<= u>

 

Dave Leonard

 

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 2:34 PM Dennis Haverlah clouduster@austin.rr.com <flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net> wrote:

Bobby Hughes recently posted information on how I = thought I had corrupted the EC-2 in my RV-7A. All I tried to do was use mod= e 4 to balance the front rotor ECT to match the rear rotor ECT!! Bobby and = I worked together to test the unit in the plane for over 5 hours last week! Thank You Bobby!! <= /p>

We were able to change or reset some programmable = values but when we started the engine and tried to adjust anything the syst= em was uncontrollable!   Bobby =96 with my encouragement  - = removed the EC-2 circuit board and we visually inspected it =96 all looked fine. The next day I removed the EC-2 (EPB?) engine prog= ram board.  I found the MODE selection micro switch has one side of the switch unsealed.   We than suspected the switch may be at fault.  Static = testing of the switch with an ohm meter showed it worked fine.

A picture of the failed Mode switch:=

3D"switch"

 

Bobby graciously loaned me his EC-2 EPB board to t= ry . 

 I installed Bobby=92s EPB and the prob= lem has never showed up again. 

 We reset all engine parameters to factory se= ttings and the engine ran OK.   We went through the normal routin= e of adjusting engine fuel flow and I reentered my latest copy of the Mixtu= re  Control Table.   Now the engine is running fine and I have flown it.  I will be fine tuning the MCT some.  Durin= g this process the EC-2 programing worked perfectly.

 We have received several GREAT Emails concer= ning reprogramming the EC-2 computer chips and we are working to get the eq= uipment to copy the EC-2 software and than dump it into new EC-2 chips. Oth= er great info. sent to us included instructions on excessing and reading the Hex Values of the engine operating settings = =96 fuel flow, timing, staging point etc. using  the EM-2.  This = allowed us to take pictures of the table =96 make changes =96 and see the v= alues changed.

 After this experience, I would like to find = a replacement for my EPB.  If I am unsuccessful, I will try to replace= all the mechanical components =96 switches and veriable resistance = pots. Not easy for me to do!   I also would be interested in  getting a spare LARGE BOX (6 =BC INCH SQUARE BOX ) EC-= 2  that Tracy set up for LS-1 and Mazda RX-8 coils as a spare.  I= f someone has one of these they will not be using I would be interested in = purchasing it as well as an EM-2.

I currently have access to a large box 3 rotor EC-= 2 we may be able to reprogram and convert to a 2 rotor model.=

 Dennis Haverlah

 RV-7A

900 hrs on Renesis RX 8, 4 port engine <= /u>

Tracy=92s gear box  RD1 =96 C, EC =96 2 and E= M -2

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