Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #66263
From: 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Water direction
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:44:03 +1000
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Charlie,

                  Yeah, dead right,  Putting the water pump right at the bottom of the engine for that reason.

Neil.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:27 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Water direction

 

Neil,

 

If you're using an electric pump, the one change that should be simple to do and would improve the system design is to move the pump location physically lower. I'm working from a very old memory here, but IIRC, the one real downside to the rotary's pump location is that it's at the top of the engine. That means that if for some reason you start losing coolant, the pump quickly loses its ability to move water. Again, if memory is correct, with the pump at the 'bottom' of the system, you can keep coolant flowing for a bit longer. It won't cure anything, but if you have a pressure leak it might keep coolant moving long enough to find a landing site.

 

I suppose it could have a slight benefit in the sense that it'll always have at least a little bit of pressure on the inlet, which could slightly reduce the risk of cavitation.

 

If my memory is defective, hopefully someone else will correct me.

 

Charlie

 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:55 AM William Schertz wschertz343@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

The water flow direction is important, the standard takes heat from the hot side and tries to keep the coild side near the same temperature to avoid the engine "becoming a banana". The impeller type pumps used in engines are primarily 'pushers'

 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:11 AM Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Hi Neil.

Two thoughts I imagine that might create issues:
1. Energy transfer down due to delta T being lower, increasing the danger of nucleate boiling near the plugs
2. Creating a higher differential between the hot and cold sides of the engine producing increased expansion differences across the engine.

Question: Do impeller pumps that we use suck and push equally well? My guess is that they don’t.
If this doesn’t matter would it help with the physical layout to suck the water through rather than push it through?

Cheers

Steve Izett

> On 20 Aug 2020, at 3:30 pm, 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> Gents,
>                 Looking today how to hook up my electric water pump.  The simplest is to send the water reverse to a standard pump.  I do understand the hot side and the colder side but with the water being changes every 1 - 2 seconds, does this really matter?
> Thoughts?
>                       Neil.


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