X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=EuKsUhUA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=tOgi3SYrRUxwmFQMRggmog==:117 a=55z/sxGcUIPVrBMYBb4HRw==:17 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=_Z_nqdSeG58A:10 a=y4yBn9ojGxQA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=oq-Hro-xwijjJ-qcevcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=mgbNSOoiL-EVT9vQJbsA:9 a=hG1orApNb0MFLtJH:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 From: " 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 649785 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:20:28 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.181; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id d188so7313287pfd.2 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:20:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=FpZAqPCF2xOqb4kfuxXEw2NA1uXp8+Dt063oqnfFJIo=; b=hHb+kgZecznFHD0o04SvhKIe753cgAEkvuJIiFAYtB73s6EiFZQjDHUrK3Apr32FZr 9cPAyOiMwEIoQWosPkN7hOnyqSIpcwD8i0aefYmrDIjkEcnQEKZW1QCnUqcaCB7xQR6G sJcvM/f3CMWjOdU+0N9iOpYKLjdrMfxdiXP+odifFcmI/R7g9VIhGv1FgYHS/GEvky7p JIFdvlPqCrRW0dnGu8mJXRTR8m3q6qq90tk1ZYy9xScEHewwuN+PKYZMJF4za1SnW2uS EdrduwgEi1F8lv6D/Z557RrH3ett2vK6rfkeLvYC7nDNFJ1dIQharAgEgEk1iw+Sxjp3 VQ3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=FpZAqPCF2xOqb4kfuxXEw2NA1uXp8+Dt063oqnfFJIo=; b=AVOHr6ysDhiP38p2ofPJB8yqvuDXG4QOrA6+zwy6OVMCkhNaMFFiYEsV8mmUaVpncO /zc0fypYK4gdSdWyF/7CBni1zq5hhEvgivr99Xwk7Z+IUABD3HCmN2OSGF0vJmxtRz+q P3XKczusmAuqH29VHoKSFH/tbKfvELkLVKSGl4C/mTrUZxwQ1y7xQDFfkMRm7ye1XtxE gNvL6iZqCqKESDBz/ugPYhLC9smVMUlGh20O+c301JokjsNW6apfLERTk7UfypbeUEDd APxDBt1LCb81xLgd8nrF7Zo8BOhhfF3rd0wIp3BEKU+vqPYEBOG7YYIS2dRBfuB5E3Ga 6cVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532lh/YT/WTIwxaJeDjXfT7EJDVxErUNrME9D7s0nXxt/J1S/3hh 0OcKDJDNPPQT9XI4iacjtn3suZ/zs7s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzd1WGTfMhDoTDV+eXazxvaurGQosbhBZF5jBTHO9kdnmyTX96tkjP8QCCvGoqIFdts9JnOUA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:597:: with SMTP id 145mr8330820pgf.119.1597620010843; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from UserPC ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q6sm15065998pjc.47.2020.08.16.16.20.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:20:10 -0700 (PDT) To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: turbos Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:20:04 +1000 Message-ID: <001801d67423$c768a650$5639f2f0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01D67477.9915A0B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHCvdTeo5Pe3eBqpp/ttDEVqmBYY6lixu2Q Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01D67477.9915A0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd, Just spoke to my turbo repair bloke and he will only be = able to get to 0.6 AR as the housing will go no further without a = complete new hot section which means another plate (bigger) on the = manifold. Since I have done enough cutting and welding to date I will = leave as is. He is to replace the compressor wheel and housing (all = cold section) , modify the hot section housing, keeping the original = wheel. He modifies the wastegate so that it will open fully as in = standard the wastegate only opens halfway before it hits the outer = housing. =20 He guarantees 300 plus HP at the wheels! That is all I = am looking for, so I have told him to start,--- maybe a week. I have to = send him a few more bits so it is complete when it returns. Then he can = do the wastegate mods as well as all in the price, new bearings / seals = , etc. He is the first bloke in Oz that can explain all to me = for my =E2=80=9CAirboat=E2=80=9D. Seems to know what he is doing as I = certainly don=E2=80=99t. Thanks for all your help, Neil. =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 5:44 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: turbos =20 All I did to put mine was sprayed some toolmakers ink on the closed = wastegate (any spray paint will work), to show clearly the extent of the = wastegate coverage. Then I removed the wastegate and the stock wastegate = hole is about the size of a dime. The cover is about the size of a = dollar coin (Loonie, up here in Canada). I then used a die grinder to open up the hole to within 1/16" of the = coverage of the gate. On the inside I took care to open it up even = further to have a smooth inflow path. I didn't change the bushings on the shaft. I've never had any trouble controlling boost with that. But the new one that I've got coming will have an even larger hole = without a new larger gate. =20 On Sat., Aug. 15, 2020, 18:36 12348ung@gmail.com = , > wrote: Todd, I think from memory the waste gate mechanism is welded in = (Turbo is at local precision turbos) If necessary I will do the = wastegate upgrade myself. Easy to put S/S bushes on the shaft =E2=80=93 = just have to get it all apart. Possibly famous last words. How did you = do yours Todd? Neil. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft >=20 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 8:24 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: turbos =20 Hi Neil; When I talked with him he said his web page is out of date and need an = update. But one of the things is all of his upgrades now have an 0.7 A/R = =20 Todd =20 On Sat., Aug. 15, 2020, 15:08 12348ung@gmail.com = , > wrote: Dave, Todd et all, I just rechecked BNR upgrades as all = have an A/R of 0.6, whereas I think it was you Dave that gave the specs = of 1.15?? Did I read it right? Just have to be sure when I talk to the = local bloke who is quoting $1000 AUD for a basic upgrade. That is = approx. $660 USD. Seems he is to just replace the air turbine and = housing only. I will ask about the wastegate when I talk to him as BRN = modify all wastegates, but go for up to 17 PSI. Only need 7 psi max?? Think I am finally getting there. Just need to confirm = that the A/R is only 0.6 and not 1.15?? Suggestions? Neil. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01D67477.9915A0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Todd,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Just spoke to my turbo repair bloke and he will = only be able to get to 0.6 AR as the housing will go no further without = a complete new hot section which means another plate (bigger) on the = manifold.=C2=A0 Since I have done enough cutting and welding to date I = will leave as is.=C2=A0 He is to replace the compressor wheel and = housing (all cold section) , modify the hot section housing, keeping the = original wheel.=C2=A0 He modifies the wastegate so that it will open = fully as in standard the wastegate only opens halfway before it hits the = outer housing.=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 He guarantees 300 plus HP at the = wheels!=C2=A0 That is all I am looking for, so I have told him to = start,--- maybe a week.=C2=A0 I have to send him a few more bits so it = is complete when it returns.=C2=A0 Then he can do the wastegate mods as = well as all in the price,=C2=A0 new bearings / seals , = etc.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 He is the first bloke in Oz that can = explain all to me for my =E2=80=9CAirboat=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Seems to know = what he is doing as I certainly don=E2=80=99t.

Thanks for all your = help,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Neil.

 

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, = 2020 5:44 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = turbos

 

All I did to put mine was sprayed some toolmakers ink = on the closed wastegate (any spray paint will work), to show clearly the = extent of the wastegate coverage. Then I removed the wastegate and the = stock wastegate hole is about the size of a dime. The cover is about the = size of a dollar coin (Loonie, up here in Canada).

I then used a die grinder to open up the hole to = within 1/16" of the coverage of the gate. On the inside I took care = to open it up even further to have a smooth inflow = path.

I didn't change the = bushings on the shaft.

I've never had any trouble controlling boost with = that.

But the new one that = I've got coming will have an even larger hole without a new larger = gate.

 

Todd,

          =     I think from memory the waste gate mechanism is = welded in (Turbo is at local precision turbos)  If necessary I will = do the wastegate upgrade myself.  Easy to put S/S bushes on the = shaft =E2=80=93 just have to get it all apart.  Possibly famous = last words. How did you do yours Todd?

Neil.

 

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Sunday, August 16, 2020 8:24 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: turbos

 <= /o:p>

Hi = Neil;

 When = I talked with him he said his web page is out of date and need an = update. But one of the things is all of his upgrades now have an 0.7 = A/R 

 <= /o:p>

Todd

 <= /p>

On Sat., = Aug. 15, 2020, 15:08 12348ung@gmail.com, <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> = wrote:

Dave, Todd et all,

          =             &= nbsp;            = I just rechecked BNR upgrades as all have an A/R of 0.6, whereas I think = it was you Dave that gave the specs of 1.15??  Did I read it = right?  Just have to be sure when I talk to the local bloke who is = quoting $1000 AUD for a basic upgrade.  That is approx. $660 = USD.  Seems he is to just replace the air turbine and housing = only.  I will ask about the wastegate when I talk to him as BRN = modify all wastegates, but go for up to 17 PSI.  Only need 7 psi = max??

          =       Think I am finally getting there.  = Just need to confirm that the A/R is only 0.6 and not 1.15??  =   Suggestions?

Neil.

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