X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=BpPjPrf5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=rNh5z51zqBKAkJEDufJaSw==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Jdjhy38mL1oA:10 a=zuQRXhSx8-oA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=d-ZBXsGZgsOiMawAhEAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=Ew2E2A-JSTLzCXPT_086:22 From: "Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net" Received: from sonic313-56.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.185.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 13392030 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:03:08 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.163.185.31; envelope-from=finn.lassen@verizon.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verizon.net; s=a2048; t=1579093371; bh=DSLM59g7zFsA7Pi1sRQOaCr62FF98wYplrvE8h1BSNo=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=IWtqbOfXB8MG3KOPhXNtogCLlNBazDQEHAWKeyaRAFu7neurEARVkOd7a2gfU81GF4vnhCFVwslYNbS6OgLQrSlceVAMC1RflHtRtJU0AfFJRhenYY/ZJZARcQysxn+BkGUFUC58b5GQ2ESYM3oNwC8WCpCHou+Ie0Rp8kAgu09lbU0QnIDHipYs8oAlJU3iaevILxw/t9b8zDo8hVCt92xXHxgbYNfonA0XQwzuG2/PwgK2AgaGOPhddOnfJz5IuQIPG61nCMYyraQxVsxv7Cv/4NsD1LSj27trq6is0sHsXAiRn/K4ug3TzxowYQqtJyZHXKsGhRiENzhBkCJirA== X-YMail-OSG: wORzFsoVM1l8GiQwQLO7Rhl.5oAeAtAP3yl2InmZymQYNi_7hps3YevfkMgkhXE uSkMoRrWo2o8_mE01HTY0nDZ5aXuBbn7DOIfrddAZb0A7cs6oM12DaFGSl757Ew7eaPOHO38HSiI jXqqxso3LzRz2G5cAT_zEpN7l5BTVXSOZf4iKY3IbWntf60un1xV0UZJUh2rtUej7mDsQvAZVva5 Tk3XqnMLXKTFlDYVY91V7FssbJZtwypNWhHxCKrKzf.VhedQ23Csx8vA21QNF6tfn8qo5tolxERd MzH7GaXf5QoYAe2pO3OuinVKSlOlV_ej1DHa0rFAQ4g3cVW5U0q78ub4kOneF9IlxSPBjH09pgI4 RcCbhgy.6NaqL7s5PexTP_RigLLbcnl.sRMgg8n7cMCpZGdfevVjAjsHToZWYlYybXzw4pcwVGAx vrBlelT9NRPn.6m3QqKMQUbU5LOkUJ2fiRs5.pMsaaekt2HFURiTnFnKXg5uJFaYCgAm2cwmUZT_ wZhGSvZlk_auMSS_xLy._00mxuBvfv8gq9bSDrAuaxkIjVJXZPATZ52uAB3ga2UAljxsJh8cJZfA 26aLYpdoT5K0OuxQQrdzC1hyfogZatIQ.Ts4fJwaTWEIgMYXJJGuWcXAsXE4Vv2E9.hbVWRCH5dk 12Mky9WUvAtoWXxIA3dsa_o5AyfHgZo4C0N0jtk3fHeIV3O4D9pgPEQ.6ys6uvVr5wsuWASJtfw2 zwCLNbb8ymt0wcKMsSAgDtfRHHWqpxoATFxV0YVMFFf1o2bD4AL6k0eI.iPArzJZKnEoJLywcWpI 8MRY05.tBRH9GjM8IyLqdxtO_mHRfDC_TB8uFN_CvfMrmeLfAp9x4BkMICHkSZbNtpqwvhclepNR FUJElOIc.m1sJ4zRJRYZ3wi9hGqnhnNjWOkeyq4wCuMuACQ2lv2Do56GgDrfm24SWOoOsjXcW6h6 gVwkEoDjjCJuhEQv9lZQdAfOwIWWgQAjhXG5bB_ZIhLdoazUk94bgU1L68aIDE_UkYzg2rnutip. tBvONvO6a6gBRzbcVGBBak6.PKQQi2lEpjcspEU0pguqbS3S1pszKXIHqTFy_5H3fKW89h1KUM1H hN2JytIrQgtSZ0F3.95PxMecaLpat6_kjJ8eWb4zXcAxQBzdUL28giahzJ_FwvP7Kwbi7LNLSPJ_ DqR22l0ZRiqUvO6zK0zsSceDbIBV.A4DAkxhHSzd18IrSQNpiDlMpmCXJxleIHFz1_mCaYp9aFL8 Xnc2s.4X5FyW5NQrlXJMPs8gY52XlT4ctuDgq00yV0Mr_goSmU3DY0pcZgc2t_yMeJuBFPm23wop nH_IF6QCkOItZCGtvUXAHu2d.zr6NTjzEynuA8Eapf6JWD3E7_K5xHz8YG7SFYEH0eIVU0qa1LWp n__0- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:02:51 +0000 Received: by smtp426.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c5ad9e15712c70cbac54d44808ce440a; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Update on EMI problem. To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <16d9ed43-5c44-ddb6-d973-08c6563c3577@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:02:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14873 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/1.8.0_181) Content-Length: 2767 Did you trace the circuit? Any chance there's already caps on the board on your version of the EC2? Again, I don't see the need for the caps. Especially because your problem was only with controller A. I would start with temp input or serial input. Finn On 1/14/2020 11:23 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > A frustrating few hours > > I got down to the hanger this morning to look into the EMI in both the engine controller and EFIS. > > First thing I did was reroute the radio coax so that instead of being in close proximity to many cables down the centre of the aeroplane instead down the very right hand side. > This increased the distance to various wire looms by ~450mm. > > Prior to this change the symptom outside the hangar was from memory about a 300ft/min vertical speed on tx in the Skyview EFIS. > > First test with radio tx after the reroute of coax inside the hangar yielded a "4 times worse" symptom in the EFIS! ~1300ft/min reading on tx. > > I then tried the test outside and away from the metal hangar by 10m and the symptom was reduced to ~600ft/min and increase in symptoms of about 100% on original problem. > I then applied a clamp on ferrite to the cable loom entering the ADHARS unit from where the symptom originates. > On tx outside the hangar again the symptoms are far reduced by over 1/2. > > So if I had left the radio coax where it was, the ferrite may have fixed the problem in the EFIS. > I have more ferrites on order and they appear to be very effective, so will use these to attenuate the RF entering the various pieces of equipment. > EMI trouble shooting is indeed a black art!! > > I also removed the Engine Control unit and soldered 0.1uF ceramics across the outputs to earth of the MAP sensors of both A and B computers as specified by Tracy. > On reinstalling the Engine Control unit I was not able to start the engine! > It would fire but not run on either controller. > So spark and fuel are present, but not to remain running. > > So the mod appears to have messed up the MAP sensing. > My initial thought was that the caps were actually resistors packaged wrongly but they measure open circuit. > > So the few hours of mods and testing has been exceedingly frustrating, going backwards at every turn except for the 1 ferrite showing itself to be very effective. > > I’m hoping my next outing will be very much more fruitful. > In the mean time I’ll ponder what could possibly cause both Computers in the Engine Controller to be u/s. > If I cannot discover my deliberate mistake. I’ll remove the caps and retest the Controller on Friday. > > Cheers > > Steve > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >