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Kelly Troyer On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 7:05 PM Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Bobby. email address in case you dont have it is: > stephen.izett@gmail.com > > Steve > > > On 13 Jan 2020, at 8:24 am, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > I was at the hanger today and located my old EC2. I=E2=80=99ll send pic= tures to > your email. > > > > Bobby > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> > >> =EF=BB=BFThanks Bobby. > >> But how big are the pins you guys use he US?!!! > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 12 Jan 2020, at 11:59 pm, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > Steve, > >> > > >> > The capacitors Tracy added were across two legs of the map sensor on > the sensor and not much bigger than a pin head. This was on the EC2 I fle= w > for the first 200 hours. I don=E2=80=99t have pictures. > >> > > >> > Bobby > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPad > >> > > >> >> On Jan 12, 2020, at 3:40 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com = < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> =EF=BB=BFHi Bobby > >> >> > >> >> Today we did some tests on the system. > >> >> Replacing the antenna with a dummy load revealed as expected no > symptoms in either the EFIS and EC2 > >> >> The antenna analyser revealed a reasonable antenna with a VSWR of > ~1:1.25 > >> >> > >> >> Both experts on site today recommended adding ferrites to wiring > entering the ADHARS and EC2 > >> >> I will pull the EC2 and check for the caps on the MAP sensors, but > from a photo I have of the component side of the board they do not appear= . > >> >> On which side did Tracy add the caps? > >> >> Hoping these fix the problem, and if not will shield the temp input > the A. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks Bobby. > >> >> > >> >> Steve Izett > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 12 Jan 2020, at 8:44 am, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Steve, > >> >> > > >> >> > Tracy installed the capacitor on both MAP sensors not just the A. > From memory, I believe the sensor manufacturer recommends using a capacit= or > in their documentation. > >> >> > > >> >> > Shield wire for the temperature sensor might be worth a try. > >> >> > > >> >> > Bobby > >> >> > > >> >> > Sent from my iPad > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Stephen Izett > stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> =EF=BB=BFThanks Bobby > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If I cant fix the RFI at the Source I=E2=80=99ll pull the EC2 an= d check > it. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Did Tracy ever explain his "long answer" as to why Processor A > has had problems and not B? > >> >> >> All I can think of is the intake temp input. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I=E2=80=99m wondering how do you identify the EC2 processors as = A & B > when I=E2=80=99m looking at the PCB? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Cheers > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Steve Izett > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 12 Jan 2020, at 12:43 am, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net = < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Steve, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I believe Tracy started adding the capacitor to all newly buil= t > EC2/3 so you may already have it. It=E2=80=99s very small and was soldere= d across > two of the three MAP sensor legs on the EC2. Not sure if it was installed > the same way on the EC3=E2=80=99s. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Bobby > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto: > flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > >> >> >> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:20 PM > >> >> >> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> >> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine miss > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks Andrew. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > So Tracy never explained the =E2=80=9Clong story=E2=80=9D? > >> >> >> > Did you add the caps and did they help or not? > >> >> >> > I=E2=80=99m thinking not, as you mentioned changing to a bette= r shield > to the CAS > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Steve > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > On 11 Jan 2020, at 10:30 am, Andrew Martin > andrew@martinag.com.au wrote: > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Steve. Here is the post from Tracy regarding engine miss on = A > computer. > >> >> >> > > Andrew > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > >> >> >> > > From: Tracy > >> >> >> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jul. 2016, 11:22 pm > >> >> >> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine miss > >> >> >> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > HI Andrew, > >> >> >> > > The exact cause of A having the problem and not B is a long > story but the fix is to install a .1 uF capacitor across the ground and > output pins (1 and 2 I think) of the A controller MAP sensor. I'd do it f= or > you but I'm away from my shop until mid Oct. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Tracy Crook > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Sent from my iPad > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > On Jul 26, 2016, at 03:56, Andrew Martin < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > I must have really upset Murphy, I just cannot seem to get > a break with this plane. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > I need help from an EE or anyone who gets a kick from > lectrics. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > Since putting the engine back in the plane I have an issue > whenever I push the PTT the engine runs like crap. Finger off PTT all goo= d > immediately. And this only happens on A computer, B seems unaffected on > EC2, how can this happen? > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > A&B are tuned slightly different, B is still at pre engine > rebuild state, but I cannot see how that would be a factor. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > I just cannot see how the Radio transmission can affect on= e > computer & not the other, they are identical aren't they, in the same box > connected to the same wires. Is it possible I've damaged the EC2 sometime > in the past and just not noticed it, how would I check it now? > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > Andrew > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > -- > >> >> >> > > > Regards > >> >> >> > > > Andrew Martin > >> >> >> > > > Martin Ag > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > -- > >> >> >> > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> >> >> > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> >> >> > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Disclaimer > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The information contained in this communication from the sende= r > is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and other= s > authorized to receive it. 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Bobby,
=C2=A0 My EC2 could use that u= pgrade also ..........Could you send photos to me also ?...........
<keltro@gmail.com>

Kelly Troyer

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 7:05 PM Stephen= Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironli= ne.net> wrote:
Bobby. email address in case you dont have it is:
stephen.izett@= gmail.com

Steve

> On 13 Jan 2020, at 8:24 am, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&= gt; wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I was at the hanger today and located my old EC2. I=E2=80=99ll send pi= ctures to your email.
>
> Bobby
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BFThanks Bobby.
>> But how big are the pins you guys use he US?!!!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 12 Jan 2020, at 11:59 pm, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Steve,
>> >
>> > The capacitors Tracy added were across two legs of the map se= nsor on the sensor and not much bigger than a pin head. This was on the EC2= I flew for the first 200 hours. I don=E2=80=99t have pictures.
>> >
>> > Bobby
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >> On Jan 12, 2020, at 3:40 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com = <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> =EF=BB=BFHi Bobby
>> >>
>> >> Today we did some tests on the system.
>> >> Replacing the antenna with a dummy load revealed as expec= ted no symptoms in either the EFIS and EC2
>> >> The antenna analyser revealed a reasonable antenna with a= VSWR of ~1:1.25
>> >>
>> >> Both experts on site today recommended adding ferrites to= wiring entering the ADHARS and EC2
>> >> I will pull the EC2 and check for the caps on the MAP sen= sors, but from a photo I have of the component side of the board they do no= t appear.
>> >> On which side did Tracy add the caps?
>> >> Hoping these fix the problem, and if not will shield the = temp input the A.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Bobby.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Izett
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On 12 Jan 2020, at 8:44 am, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <flyrotary@lan= caironline.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Steve,
>> >> >
>> >> > Tracy installed the capacitor on both MAP sensors no= t just the A. From memory, I believe the sensor manufacturer recommends usi= ng a capacitor in their documentation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Shield wire for the temperature sensor might be wort= h a try.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bobby
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPad
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Jan 11, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail= .com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> =EF=BB=BFThanks Bobby
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If I cant fix the RFI at the Source I=E2=80=99ll= pull the EC2 and check it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Did Tracy ever explain his "long answer&quo= t; as to why Processor A has had problems and not B?
>> >> >> All I can think of is the intake temp input.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I=E2=80=99m wondering how do you identify the EC= 2 processors as A & B when I=E2=80=99m looking at the PCB?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve Izett
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On 12 Jan 2020, at 12:43 am, Bobby J. Hughe= s bhughes@qnsi.net <flyr= otary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Steve,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I believe Tracy started adding the capacito= r to all newly built EC2/3 so you may already have it. It=E2=80=99s very sm= all and was soldered across two of the three MAP sensor legs on the EC2. No= t sure if it was installed the same way on the EC3=E2=80=99s.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Bobby
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lan= caironline.net]
>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:20 PM
>> >> >> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>> >> >> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: [FlyRotary] R= e: Engine miss
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks Andrew.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So Tracy never explained the =E2=80=9Clong = story=E2=80=9D?
>> >> >> > Did you add the caps and did they help or n= ot?
>> >> >> > I=E2=80=99m thinking not, as you mentioned = changing to a better shield to the CAS
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Steve
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > On 11 Jan 2020, at 10:30 am, Andrew Ma= rtin andrew@mar= tinag.com.au <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Steve. Here is the post from Tracy reg= arding engine miss on A computer.
>> >> >> > > Andrew
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------=
>> >> >> > > From: Tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&= gt;
>> >> >> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jul. 2016, 11:22 pm
>> >> >> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine miss >> >> >> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lanc= aironline.net>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > HI Andrew,
>> >> >> > > The exact cause of A having the proble= m and not B is a long story but the fix is to install a .1 uF capacitor acr= oss the ground and output pins (1 and 2 I think) of the A controller MAP se= nsor. I'd do it for you but I'm away from my shop until mid Oct. >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Tracy Crook
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Sent from my iPad
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > On Jul 26, 2016, at 03:56, Andrew= Martin <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > I must have really upset Murphy, = I just cannot seem to get a break with this plane.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > I need help from an EE or anyone = who gets a kick from lectrics.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Since putting the engine back in = the plane I have an issue whenever I push the PTT the engine runs like crap= . Finger off PTT all good immediately. And this only happens on A computer,= B seems unaffected on EC2, how can this happen?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > A&B are tuned slightly differ= ent, B is still at pre engine rebuild state, but I cannot see how that woul= d be a factor.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > I just cannot see how the Radio t= ransmission can affect one computer & not the other, they are identical= aren't they, in the same box connected to the same wires. Is it possib= le I've damaged the EC2 sometime in the past and just not noticed it, h= ow would I check it now?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Andrew
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > --
>> >> >> > > > Regards
>> >> >> > > > Andrew Martin
>> >> >> > > > Martin Ag
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
>> >> >> > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
>> >> >> > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Disclaimer
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >
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