X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=G+5i7Os5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=auZFhOzWS5H0Xlzol9Q3ww==:117 a=giTZFnVYD3vrPZSypR22jQ==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=CKeqCrOqW6IA:10 a=J70Eh1EUuV4A:10 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=w5x3nHgjA1FHeetYqC8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=NPqpj5bUEVj9vR1HIonK:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf1-f182.google.com ([209.85.210.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 12967548 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:48:28 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.182; envelope-from=stephen.izett@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f182.google.com with SMTP id q12so3008292pff.9 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=R8kWpgIJmNrEI576+kzqx0ruvi/h6r+hh6ZmZ9B+Wq4=; b=Pe4r5CrfeH/bSpZdgyMsOc6Ciw1hnsp7TwqC8DiwfKxi17efEoF+GoJwEM4zDqEoTK THbMEzzWVrouAM4rupehZWRDHuG33su9f/hn5npoSzIGfncTjyRDR9G3MtbGcb1UHsZB r30dyXpE5YaQ/FgKQeKUIvyarh6DzeKOM2vJc8itD7ktpLrutLX9qE9HKk2AqIIC4G/2 LqmEfqrJXMu5CDJNPc4EomQGzaMuL8VtbkbIkQa5uwAGrW313oyUEwexVJN7jvAnmSFJ caLh5ctqjLTggm9H80ZDLEbIlJKx3h7U0kICPVztKoI7reso6OuQuGcsp01qvG2Xxwt0 LL8g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=R8kWpgIJmNrEI576+kzqx0ruvi/h6r+hh6ZmZ9B+Wq4=; b=SetPwnl7TB+KL4q7pagYXbTZgbYd2gZ5irHrGjCELdIYfvCwv4JhOSsWSd/kI6zGPI iCrHWRVhlznNJhuKhlDsDsR0deFAT3egD66XUKy4oAEZDdi6yrN94vWE3ZeCN8M9PBeW J7SXWyofB9q12Ue1e8UEEbXySG9TlGv/pCIidIeIAdMpMghPEf/11pb0mMFLriw1USJG B+a/QpqgBudlqBfnXnUjVDxRaUI1XyRDXP+ipMSh27QZHy2exUK9BStEFTFYXcdJFECq caY813DlNBMWlgO3issRtsGi1/Duy46gae+ZZvlP3kNWXTIExUogPYXKEFrGdrDd7iLk nORg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWrO8LHXcXTyCsK69qNt5/OAlhSUxqNBKK2GnV/6mtWS8SkMI4+ jpgmarXOYGT+kaSYoktXw2+pbXoR X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz8VsVCIo+VljsGRi8C9OUtu+PG8qN2N7AuREMCEFDuwuZTu2plTtd31XSDOPhg87dPQwf4Aw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:2a4a:: with SMTP id d10mr526284pjg.72.1568760490585; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from macbook-pro.lan ([118.208.179.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p88sm158037pjp.22.2019.09.17.15.48.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Sep 2019 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 Mixture Pot Failure Modes Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 06:48:07 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Thanks Jeff I think Tracy having selected a quality pot mitigates against failure, = but all single point of failure components introduce risk. I thought my test pilots question was a good one for us to consider. One of the contractions he flys is a twin jet CriCri whose throttle is a = Bournes Pot. Cheers Steve Izett > On 17 Sep 2019, at 10:15 pm, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com = wrote: >=20 > Steve, this what-if scenario of the mixture pot failing is not = something ever discussed before. What I can say based on experience = with the EC2 is that IF the pot failed at full-lean and then Cold Start = was selected that the outcome would likely be acceptable; on the other = hand, IF the pot failed at full-rich the outcome would not be good. > How can a potentiometer fail ? Given that it is a resistor the most = likely scenario is exposure to excessive current and again from = experience, the resistor value can end up anywhere from an open circuit = to a dead short. Another possibility is the wiper mechanism can fail, = leaving you without adjustment and stuck at whatever the last setting = was - if you're lucky it should be near the middle and all will be = okay. > Jeff=20 >=20 > Hi there guys. >=20 > A friend of mine who is testing our Glasair has asked after the = failure modes and consequences of the mixture pot on the EC2/3 = controller. > I'm figuring it would go full rich or full lean. Either being a real = problem for keeping the engine running effectively. > Not sure what a faulure of the pot to full lean and then selecting = Coldstart would yield as far as mixture, I imagine far too rich. >=20 > I take it Tracy used quality pots to mitigate this risk factor. > Has anyone discussed this before? > I'd like to be able to give my friend an answer. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Steve Izett >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html