X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=PNVxBsiC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=CjJ+5yp3x2JyNzL18rYx+A==:117 a=55z/sxGcUIPVrBMYBb4HRw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=_Z_nqdSeG58A:10 a=FmdZ9Uzk2mMA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=LI4bW0I8xxaxJQFgId0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=3ccUixUHw8OIlMTWqksA:9 a=ECjiWFmaU6fIGzdW:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=4dqwQCo7Po2mVW515mGf:22 From: "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf1-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.13) with ESMTPS id 12848259 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:51:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.180; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f180.google.com with SMTP id 129so767741pfa.4 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:51:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language; bh=URexltmT2CyBpwPHcV4jWwW/OoJUdGjD7n0i+I7qnSI=; b=P6II6vXcMavihMvzBB77MR5cMcIVbeIC74aV+891zElEnaKKY6yZa/WhkBKY9wemhC u5ng27I5KPlS+jgBhw7IlM6NnMZOpaMhmHSai63s+Bh3M9bb8aG8s/OfS7+H+6nQTXaG je2KNpoYuMxck9X2B5FZ5fEZFGi44OawBDS6GFkEVVB2R7+wIbD8PPtnU5k0kpxO9uiG Et33/mqT2uVEMMdoBxhqPL+LBwq43pQADpZ81xYUMBmC/rIueNVg7Osrii3AzRUq5wU9 bpglFgqFsJL5AXBzXAff5nhv01n6tOAahmP73YjX/LOIEpf65tsQDSh5lm/XCSOGX6eI zKJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=URexltmT2CyBpwPHcV4jWwW/OoJUdGjD7n0i+I7qnSI=; b=edmn5gYIjGIy5QvGlItbKnOl23zS+d8DcSG3TNb5UuoOwaRqVJcjyn2sNiW+fnJLcI bimTLExuSSeqnhVWf+50YxsFiszF9J6Qabeu+VBlrMw40Ecg2BwO0OoWBZ7w87qp/iZF 0j2szY6J+ulWZdfMDWbFEW9NrUMvqMC3/pU4zX1SzGDCOo3olzgHNLwCm1y3Xxhdqw55 ObO+W//NUcACKQswBYUOxzPgfu9KJgGrIRNkJB8elPJXxcw7MwlLdLdriY5VzkE9f5gH z4IBfoiF+QeVbtDRS7c0Hm4Hp71d+eLa/eT6Am4TmrvmtQ+jxDEff9QmVVebSGC49qFZ CX9g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVKKev+U2dnJmxKr+LCr9H0ELyEVxTWBql23k6ZvenLB9FzeR2R h2TvCfd3XmcbO7z82M1HSah2OdxZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwjfqiuetfUKd6HTH27AWue+KNFlDnBkbt7MaA5tUpvnDE/3KTYCcJpiWzLxciaqSoGOnHZTg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:2784:: with SMTP id n126mr2083495pgn.92.1565844683426; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.0.106] ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v67sm1769086pfb.45.2019.08.14.21.51.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Inlet duct sizing To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <66705ae9-e910-d73e-94a1-aff075d6c155@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:51:18 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1EA84A0A865F539C9CA67E0C" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1EA84A0A865F539C9CA67E0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mat,               Will go and measure mine and get back to you,l Neil. On 8/15/2019 1:42 PM, Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com wrote: > I'm having a hard time in this Florida heat, trying to do my first > flight. With a highspeed taxi run, (up to 55kts or so), will net my > oil and coolant above my warning limits. 240 oil pan, 230 coolant out. > > The coolant inlet (44sq") is huge with the idea that down the road I'd > go turbo. The rad is from a dodge truck 19 x 24 x 1 = 454sq", with a > wedge shape diffuser. Right now it just exits the back of the cowl, no > cowl flaps or sub cowl installed yet. > > The oil inlet is a lot smaller (~12.5sq"), going to a 2.5" scat hose, > then to a trumpet shape which leads into a wedge. The oil rad is 9 x > 11 x 2 = 198sq" from cx racing. For the outlet, I have a big box to > collect the hot/expanded air, then neck it back down to 2.5" exit. > Tomorrow I'll try another taxi test, with the outlet box > completely removed and dumping into the cowl. > > To find out if my prop is doing anything with airflow into the inlets, > used a tube of water and found around 2200 static rpm, it raised the > water about 4inches in the oil duct. I think that equals around > ~55kts. I thought the prop would of cooled down the rads a lot more, > but I guess I have bad duct designs. Maybe move them closer to the > blade? Looking at the picture, the oil is on the left with all the > green tape. I tried to make the opening bigger with foam, didn't see a > real difference. Being on the bottom of the cowl and to the left, it > doesn't get the rotating air from the blades as much. > > I know high speed taxi tests in this Florida heat, is probably the > worst case scenario. Depending how the morning goes, we might just fly > the plane and get some speed into her nose. See at what speed the > temperatures stabilize and start to cool down. > > - Matt Boiteau > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --------------1EA84A0A865F539C9CA67E0C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Mat,

              Will go and measure mine and get back to you,l  Neil.

On 8/15/2019 1:42 PM, Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com wrote:
I'm having a hard time in this Florida heat, trying to do my first flight. With a highspeed taxi run, (up to 55kts or so), will net my oil and coolant above my warning limits. 240 oil pan, 230 coolant out.

The coolant inlet (44sq") is huge with the idea that down the road I'd go turbo. The rad is from a dodge truck 19 x 24 x 1 = 454sq", with a wedge shape diffuser. Right now it just exits the back of the cowl, no cowl flaps or sub cowl installed yet.

The oil inlet is a lot smaller (~12.5sq"), going to a 2.5" scat hose, then to a trumpet shape which leads into a wedge. The oil rad is 9 x 11 x 2 = 198sq" from cx racing. For the outlet, I have a big box to collect the hot/expanded air, then neck it back down to 2.5" exit. Tomorrow I'll try another taxi test, with the outlet box completely removed and dumping into the cowl.

To find out if my prop is doing anything with airflow into the inlets, used a tube of water and found around 2200 static rpm, it raised the water about 4inches in the oil duct. I think that equals around ~55kts. I thought the prop would of cooled down the rads a lot more, but I guess I have bad duct designs. Maybe move them closer to the blade? Looking at the picture, the oil is on the left with all the green tape. I tried to make the opening bigger with foam, didn't see a real difference. Being on the bottom of the cowl and to the left, it doesn't get the rotating air from the blades as much.

I know high speed taxi tests in this Florida heat, is probably the worst case scenario. Depending how the morning goes, we might just fly the plane and get some speed into her nose. See at what speed the temperatures stabilize and start to cool down.

- Matt Boiteau

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