X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=PNVxBsiC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=PfljCweHXHZr3fS9hjJSJw==:117 a=b79/JNUwnjdyXvH342spcg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=CKeqCrOqW6IA:10 a=0o9FgrsRnhwA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=XYAwZIGsAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=og4lvyMK1oNJKbah2zcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=E8ToXWR_bxluHZ7gmE-Z:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf1-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.13) with ESMTPS id 12738997 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 06:43:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.171; envelope-from=stephen.izett@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f171.google.com with SMTP id i189so5339422pfg.10 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 03:43:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=uxJ+qUCjFif/pXI4mvWQk7J1SJJEF7h102puLPpLcAA=; b=pK1jTkmICTSVAGIVxBm6DORIOWtp9GGds0uPzuVV2LGNKh+tXReWsw7c5CwzoA4akP 0UJKaI4z/q5Dc3wYcK4MywGwKSM/LwIFxcdvdLVdxNXEGW+YCCuJxaEH5P4xf09RGqLV NrwizRolRL059l+3CAugKtOE9/dcXl/KViX0irdZ6wY9PTPpdRqEk0m70kbtQZw2UPlZ mdybn3qDPKuGEzNY6cM1a/XJihpQEUicgg2FbhVZ9ZyEjYj+S2vLo7PNFaICGkoyVpCY PwYf7DuqZtxpL34j9jp3YTDGtwTW8GQsSIik1A1fpHPBDISMHdYIsgV/5gOAAtJ6jyxf StrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=uxJ+qUCjFif/pXI4mvWQk7J1SJJEF7h102puLPpLcAA=; b=Nh6gC+KDb7hi4+hlAhmzhgZk7lp0ebp3rkasOPh3r8LHqrpP9271nvnxPOUXi3bZHh vqvRlWFtyc6/lSvCnDssVVV4jV/uD+4VmdfQhzf4Wn7NOSTU+Ylnk5GGcTIykZ3uv/kA w8Q5Khd5L0rIpS2XpMrAkpwg8f3CtEPY/dbrw9EFLgdeUyPYUYFy0lXh0/zGXkjFSE38 60sO6wDJb1INByFdjpuiZO5a2dru/OdNHL0rWWRVOvdDRfsXiUKFccpwjfPcW2JkV2S9 k8kfEAKCUZjcvuI2JdylttD43ojJGtZrdGJ0MiRp+vtDNDySU6sVQ3kJUKfusAZIkwW1 pxBw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUU0CFQFL1YpAGcMNs2UY0bIw40i6F1R4Sc/s1QEEjkr01oMlPk si2YH5lMUcZ5JjjP1lXewRJVnLIW X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy/Vks2md9omP/Subbm4iIPo3JRAWcytVi04lj/UtaLi9zURDpMpnVA1IBzChRvhy5YuHIXkA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:1645:: with SMTP id 5mr10285339pgw.175.1562409764034; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 03:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from steves-mbp.lan ([118.209.173.119]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z2sm10451853pgg.58.2019.07.06.03.42.42 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Jul 2019 03:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 software Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:42:39 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Hi Finn Sorry about the delay. I no longer have that pc, so cant confirm. Steve > On 1 Jul 2019, at 9:40 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net = wrote: >=20 > Hi Steve, >=20 > If you still have that MPLABS installed, please let me know the = version. All I know is that Tracy said he could not get it to work with = more recent version of MPLABS. I guess it was easier for him to revert = to MPLABS 8.15 rather than figure out how to get it to work with newer = version of MPLABS. I think he's using the "hockey puck" MicroChip = programmer/ICE (ICD 2 or 3?) >=20 > No clue why Tracy upgraded to the 18F452. Faster? More memory? >=20 > Finn >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 6/30/2019 7:13 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >> Hi Finn >>=20 >> I used the PICkit 3 for the EC2 code no problem (can???t remember the = version of MPLABS) and thought the EC3 was more recent! >> Why did Tracy change chips? >>=20 >> Steve >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 1 Jul 2019, at 5:45 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net = >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Well, I had purchased the PICKit 3 and finally downloaded MPLAB = 8.15. >>> Unfortunately the PICKit 3 is not a programmer option in MPLABS = 8.15. >>>=20 >>> Did you you run into this and solve it? >>>=20 >>> I could: >>> 1) Keep downloading and install more and more recent versions of = MPLAB until PICKit3 appears as a programmer option (and hope that the = version still works with Tracy's code) >>> or >>> 2) Purchase a PICKit2 >>>=20 >>> Finn >>>=20 >>> On 6/23/2019 10:07 AM, Stephen Izett=20 >>> stephen.izett@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Thanks very much Finn. >>>> I just received this message. Not sure why it was delayed. >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers >>>>=20 >>>> Steve Izett >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 21 Jun 2019, at 3:04 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net = >>>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> I can now confirm that Tracy uses (used) MPLABS version 8.15 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Attached are the chip configuration settings. In MPLABS, pick the = settings listed on the right. Most are MPLABS defaults for the 18F452 = chip, but a few need to be changed. >>>>>=20 >>>>> As for Sam's, Tracy did extensive modifications for = Sam'scontroller that he now regrets having done. Sam would really, = really be better off with a pair (for redundancy) of SpeedUino boards. = Program them for a 4 cylinder Subaru and go from there. (What might be = happening with the EC3 is that it has a startup timing setting and a = running timing setting. That big bore Continental may have one cylinder = firing that swings the prop around at a speed that fools the controller = into thinking that the engine is running and switch to running = (advanced) ignition; but the engine didn't start and now the next spark = comes too early. Why Sam didn't experience that until recently I don't = know. Maybe he used to start on mags?) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Finn >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 6/16/2019 7:16 PM, Stephen Izett=20 >>>>> stephen.izett@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi Fin. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> No your right in relation to removing the chips and creating a = programming socket. To easy really. >>>>>> And yes, the config of the chips many options which I don???t = think are in the code itself unless Ive missed something. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Steve >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2019, at 11:24 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net = >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Are these not the EQU statements in the code that you uncomment = by removing the ";" in front of the one you want? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Oh, config for the particular chip used? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Again, I'm not (yet) familiar with the development and compiler = to know what's required. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I don't understand what's so difficult about removing the chips = from the board and programming them in a $7 socket connected to the 4 or = so programming wires from the PICKit3. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 6/16/2019 3:50 AM, Stephen Izett=20 >>>>>>> stephen.izett@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thanks Finn. >>>>>>>> Thats disappointing to hear. >>>>>>>> I still may need to reprogram mine for (turbo or change in = coils) so I???ll be interested in what others find. >>>>>>>> I may need to go back to my EC2 which I can reprogram. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I don???t understand the config settings coming out of = compiling the code. >>>>>>>> Tracy previously provided the following config for the EC2 >>>>>>>> Osc EC OSC2 as RA6 >>>>>>>> Osc Sw Disabled >>>>>>>> Pwr Up timer Enabled >>>>>>>> Brown out Enabled >>>>>>>> Brown out V. 2.7V >>>>>>>> WDT Enabled >>>>>>>> WDT Postscale 1:256 >>>>>>>> CCP2 MUX RC1 >>>>>>>> MCLR Enable MCLR Disabled RG5 Enable >>>>>>>> Stack Ovf Enabled >>>>>>>> LV Program Disabled >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Not sure how you would create the executable without these = config data for the compiler. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2019, at 2:03 pm, Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@gmail.com = >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Thank you Finn. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> A lot of pieces still missing, but maybe there is still hope = for my system. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 5:51 AM Finn Lassen=20 >>>>>>>>> finn.lassen@verizon.net >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Talked with Tracy today. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Yes, programming pins are carried out to the DB connectors on = the EC3. >>>>>>>>> However, there has been some instances where in-circuit = programming >>>>>>>>> didn't go well (he never found out why), so he recommends = programming >>>>>>>>> the chips removed from?? the board (for example using the = socket I >>>>>>>>> ordered). He mentioned that he could not figure how to get it = to work >>>>>>>>> with more recent versions of MPLABS and recommends version = 8.15 or so >>>>>>>>> (should still be available on the Internet >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> = https://www.microchip.com/development-tools/pic-and-dspic-downloads-archiv= e >>>>>>>>> ). >>>>>>>>> Need to confirm that the version that worked for him is indeed = 8.15 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> The config file should be automatically generated first time = you compile >>>>>>>>> the code, unless he's forgotten something. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Problem with Sam's version is he's forgotten the mental notes = about the >>>>>>>>> differences between the rotary and the big bore aircraft = engines. >>>>>>>>> Basically the EC3 is now old technology (the 18F452 chip = considered >>>>>>>>> obsolete) and recommends using readily available Arduino-based = engine >>>>>>>>> controller boards. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Gave the example that even though the plans still exist , no = one could >>>>>>>>> build a Saturn V rocket today, because the engineers and their = notebooks >>>>>>>>> (mental and otherwise) on how to actually build it are gone. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Regarding reading and understanding the code, remember that it = is >>>>>>>>> interrupt-driven and not just one long series of sequential = code. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I hope I've properly understood and relayed his comments here. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2019 10:09 AM, Stephen Izett=20 >>>>>>>>> stephen.izett@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Hi Fin >>>>>>>>>> I see that on the J2 DB connector pins 1 and 11 are marked = FACTORY USE ONLY. >>>>>>>>>> These maybe for programming. >>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:50 pm, Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fin >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I missed your photo, but found it just now. Yes, = appears no headers! >>>>>>>>>>> So we need a circuit diagram. Pins 16 &17 (PGD and PGC) of = each processor would need to be accessed for in circuit programming me = thinks. >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:35 pm, Finn Lassen = finn.lassen@verizon.net >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd posted a picture of the EC3 on 12 June. >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> Trying again. >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> There are no header pins. >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2019 9:28 AM, Stephen Izett=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> stephen.izett@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> I only spent a few moments on it but the version of MPLABS = I have didn't accept the PICkit3 for programming the >>>>>>>>>>>>> 18F452 processors which appears in Tracy???s notes as the = EC3 processors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you looked inside your EC3? Are there 6 pin ICSP = headers for in circuit programming like he EC2? >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to hear from Tracy or someone else that has = experience programmed the EC3. >>>>>>>>>>>>> We also need the config data for the compiler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:03 pm, Finn Lassen = finn.lassen@verizon.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that's not true. What makes you think that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just ordered=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/262583587324 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/273846534119 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I figured I can connect the 6 wires directly to the DIP40 = pins, bypassing the DIP40 socket. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still need to download MPLABS andget familiar with = that, but that's several weeks in the future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Currently fighting with the RV-4 cowl and trying to = determine which radiator(s) and oil cooler to use.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2019 6:05 AM, Stephen Izett=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stephen.izett@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ive spent a few moments looking at the EC3 code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I???ve previously updated the settings of my EC2 using = the method discussed previously, using MPLABS and a PICkit3, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however having looked at the EC3???s processor details = I???m not sure if it can be programmed with a tool like the PICkit3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I???ll need to look further into this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I???m hoping Tracy might be able to enlighten us re = programming the EC3 processors and the config settings required. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else have the details re programming the EC3 = etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Izett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 10:07 pm, Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See pdf of an EC2 circuit board showing in-circuit = programming headers. The EC3 will be similar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 9:10 pm, Finn Lassen = finn.lassen@verizon.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = https://www.ebay.com/itm/PICKit3-Microchip-Programmer-w-USB-cable-wires-Pi= c-Kit-3-and-ICSP-Socket/391965539252?hash=3Ditem5b42f77bb4:g:je8AAOSw86JaY= 6CJ:sc:USPSFirstClass!32619!US!-1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plcc44-to-dip40-usb-universal-programmer-ic-adapt= er-tester-socket-LB/273846534119?_trkparms=3Daid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%= 26ao%3D1%26asc%3D57921%26meid%3Db074d810b54f4576947055bf696657dc%26pid%3D1= 00005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D273856754141%26itm%3D273846534119&_trksid= =3Dp2047675.c100005.m1851 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is a 6-way header? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the above programmer will work with MPLabs = (a 744 MB download!) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = https://www.microchip.com/mplab/mplab-x-ide?gclid=3DCj0KCQjwov3nBRDFARIsAN= gsdoGRjNrAf5W07wtNtIBqL4MdFvN4apzRq5hhCoPP7bXzELwMPrM-RbQaAtixEALw_wcB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2019 12:26 AM, Stephen Izett=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stephen.izett@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use a PICkit 3 programmer which I imagine are about = $50USD. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This plugs into the 6 way (from memory) headers along = side of each of the pic processors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> Homepage: =20 >>>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>> -- >>>> Homepage: =20 >>>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>=20 >>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>> -- >>> Homepage: =20 >>> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>=20 >>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> -- >> Homepage: =20 >> http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>=20 >> Archive and UnSub: =20 >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20