X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=eO9tc0h1 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=0T96ifFQf8owWxZMDraBOA==:117 a=55z/sxGcUIPVrBMYBb4HRw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=_Z_nqdSeG58A:10 a=dq6fvYVFJ5YA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=XYAwZIGsAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=EHuEzJnOsW3U_VwO0FcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=E8ToXWR_bxluHZ7gmE-Z:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pl1-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.12) with ESMTPS id 12681501 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 20:49:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.172; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pl1-f172.google.com with SMTP id b7so3348939pls.6 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:49:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=DW2Wor+j9frR8zuw1cizcZuTHYiO1m5MOWkvSI7+y3Y=; b=XsWH73RW13kx2emPzOWWToUUph4wMzur/mCtlF8NoU5h+cZokzQGlmofBaJ4VA+C0d dcao4LlkENchAl2dd+7DaFhhxPGonx/hMWDS6hK0sjPHHDfh6m1ugnAYfI5n0W2q6I+a baWb36NBsyYsm2DXwJTrK6RhmeQnGGrQ5f9hhexTtWBdmCLhLeWOdRZVK9OUd+LCeKCf ++tFclTvE++95bKt6LekolUyLVtdLHYM330cBVGSgnJbBwC513zvE7YcW8uXcOGzxHSq 8RQbZ/4Zxa0aTT1736Qb6VqfHFEFecryEFGe7+q7G8VNy/aXtcjPnMqJ3OBN72uqjIyC AdIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=DW2Wor+j9frR8zuw1cizcZuTHYiO1m5MOWkvSI7+y3Y=; b=C2PH7N7z/434qZFlQ4XlmtnC2sl+JJMhNH1AtBZR5rIyMr++Ve2ElEjw8ooKITj5hl 8+XLz7NKX5AxwQSaDPmLtGmeZfIZorECqYtT7rhtJaJUtADY815BbO8URSVDfeo/jdKr 8rA+s4jYWl2xfBBdw+bYotczdui/+2nNDnSbAXBKdzLIPrKyvuWsQ3+pTXKqzYCrpBtl WK24IcSBFhgDm9fHZNFcoanxyWMkC19nOblwpClaIWmQKa6UpwKGEFUPXuSQW4SKtoAO +Q4po/uaXQcN+DS/Yh0njIOA2QWOomqiJE/a2+tN3hZ7rkbXpJZxlfFua0NXLGoI7FAt GL7Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX2kCss2tdoxYjAli9ugIe/NHy+zu/hZQSqR2qybzSjlRmxTV1P VwxNlLqdTZp5XsPzD5sOe2TFll+q X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxh4Gj/T/YcX/XOZH8ohi0iuIPMwB2jwhSNhU+PvFRUH2ASAhY3wq5eVUf6UeTbdypQoBRQoQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8609:: with SMTP id f9mr97674592plo.252.1560732562989; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v5sm10150600pfm.22.2019.06.16.17.49.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 software To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <7ce35e52-170a-5236-0788-9f28a4272139@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 10:49:19 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Steve,                Looks like my fueltek system is becoming cheaper and simpler each day!!  Sorry to dump on you like this but the devil made me do it!  Best,  Neil. On 6/17/2019 10:42 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Finn > Looks like MPLABX can create a project from an existing built .hex file. > Unfortunately my version of MPLABX on my mac doesn’t seem to support the 18F542 as far as tools so it won’t let me create the project. > > Steve > >> On 17 Jun 2019, at 7:41 am, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi again Finn. >> I’m really rusty as far as my embedded system knowledge, but we may find the chips config data at the end of the List file. >> Look at the end of the ec3cl8.lst file. We ay be able to find the chips config data from the SYMBOL TABLE LABEL and its associated VALUE. >> Can MPLABS read the last file? As I said, I’m very rusty. >> Steve >> >>> On 17 Jun 2019, at 7:16 am, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Hi Fin. >>> >>> No your right in relation to removing the chips and creating a programming socket. To easy really. >>> And yes, the config of the chips many options which I don’t think are in the code itself unless Ive missed something. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 16 Jun 2019, at 11:24 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>> >>>> Are these not the EQU statements in the code that you uncomment by removing the ";" in front of the one you want? >>>> >>>> Oh, config for the particular chip used? >>>> >>>> Again, I'm not (yet) familiar with the development and compiler to know what's required. >>>> >>>> I don't understand what's so difficult about removing the chips from the board and programming them in a $7 socket connected to the 4 or so programming wires from the PICKit3. >>>> >>>> Finn >>>> >>>> On 6/16/2019 3:50 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> Thanks Finn. >>>>> Thats disappointing to hear. >>>>> I still may need to reprogram mine for (turbo or change in coils) so I???ll be interested in what others find. >>>>> I may need to go back to my EC2 which I can reprogram. >>>>> >>>>> I don???t understand the config settings coming out of compiling the code. >>>>> Tracy previously provided the following config for the EC2 >>>>> Osc EC OSC2 as RA6 >>>>> Osc Sw Disabled >>>>> Pwr Up timer Enabled >>>>> Brown out Enabled >>>>> Brown out V. 2.7V >>>>> WDT Enabled >>>>> WDT Postscale 1:256 >>>>> CCP2 MUX RC1 >>>>> MCLR Enable MCLR Disabled RG5 Enable >>>>> Stack Ovf Enabled >>>>> LV Program Disabled >>>>> >>>>> Not sure how you would create the executable without these config data for the compiler. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 16 Jun 2019, at 2:03 pm, Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Finn. >>>>>> >>>>>> A lot of pieces still missing, but maybe there is still hope for my system. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 5:51 AM Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>>>> Talked with Tracy today. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, programming pins are carried out to the DB connectors on the EC3. >>>>>> However, there has been some instances where in-circuit programming >>>>>> didn't go well (he never found out why), so he recommends programming >>>>>> the chips removed from?? the board (for example using the socket I >>>>>> ordered). He mentioned that he could not figure how to get it to work >>>>>> with more recent versions of MPLABS and recommends version 8.15 or so >>>>>> (should still be available on the Internet >>>>>> https://www.microchip.com/development-tools/pic-and-dspic-downloads-archive). >>>>>> Need to confirm that the version that worked for him is indeed 8.15 >>>>>> >>>>>> The config file should be automatically generated first time you compile >>>>>> the code, unless he's forgotten something. >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem with Sam's version is he's forgotten the mental notes about the >>>>>> differences between the rotary and the big bore aircraft engines. >>>>>> Basically the EC3 is now old technology (the 18F452 chip considered >>>>>> obsolete) and recommends using readily available Arduino-based engine >>>>>> controller boards. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gave the example that even though the plans still exist , no one could >>>>>> build a Saturn V rocket today, because the engineers and their notebooks >>>>>> (mental and otherwise) on how to actually build it are gone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding reading and understanding the code, remember that it is >>>>>> interrupt-driven and not just one long series of sequential code. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope I've properly understood and relayed his comments here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finn >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/15/2019 10:09 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Fin >>>>>>> I see that on the J2 DB connector pins 1 and 11 are marked FACTORY USE ONLY. >>>>>>> These maybe for programming. >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:50 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Fin >>>>>>>> Sorry. I missed your photo, but found it just now. Yes, appears no headers! >>>>>>>> So we need a circuit diagram. Pins 16 &17 (PGD and PGC) of each processor would need to be accessed for in circuit programming me thinks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:35 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought I'd posted a picture of the EC3 on 12 June. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Trying again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are no header pins. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2019 9:28 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I only spent a few moments on it but the version of MPLABS I have didn't accept the PICkit3 for programming the >>>>>>>>>> 18F452 processors which appears in Tracy???s notes as the EC3 processors. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have you looked inside your EC3? Are there 6 pin ICSP headers for in circuit programming like he EC2? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would like to hear from Tracy or someone else that has experience programmed the EC3. >>>>>>>>>> We also need the config data for the compiler. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:03 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope that's not true. What makes you think that? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I just ordered https://www.ebay.com/itm/262583587324 >>>>>>>>>>> and https://www.ebay.com/itm/273846534119 >>>>>>>>>>> I figured I can connect the 6 wires directly to the DIP40 pins, bypassing the DIP40 socket. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I still need to download MPLABS andget familiar with that, but that's several weeks in the future. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>>>>> (Currently fighting with the RV-4 cowl and trying to determine which radiator(s) and oil cooler to use.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2019 6:05 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fin >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ive spent a few moments looking at the EC3 code. >>>>>>>>>>>> I???ve previously updated the settings of my EC2 using the method discussed previously, using MPLABS and a PICkit3, >>>>>>>>>>>> however having looked at the EC3???s processor details I???m not sure if it can be programmed with a tool like the PICkit3. >>>>>>>>>>>> I???ll need to look further into this. >>>>>>>>>>>> I???m hoping Tracy might be able to enlighten us re programming the EC3 processors and the config settings required. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else have the details re programming the EC3 etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Izett >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 10:07 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> See pdf of an EC2 circuit board showing in-circuit programming headers. The EC3 will be similar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 9:10 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/PICKit3-Microchip-Programmer-w-USB-cable-wires-Pic-Kit-3-and-ICSP-Socket/391965539252?hash=item5b42f77bb4:g:je8AAOSw86JaY6CJ:sc:USPSFirstClass!32619!US!-1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plcc44-to-dip40-usb-universal-programmer-ic-adapter-tester-socket-LB/273846534119?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D57921%26meid%3Db074d810b54f4576947055bf696657dc%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D273856754141%26itm%3D273846534119&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is a 6-way header? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if the above programmer will work with MPLabs (a 744 MB download!) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.microchip.com/mplab/mplab-x-ide?gclid=Cj0KCQjwov3nBRDFARIsANgsdoGRjNrAf5W07wtNtIBqL4MdFvN4apzRq5hhCoPP7bXzELwMPrM-RbQaAtixEALw_wcB >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2019 12:26 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use a PICkit 3 programmer which I imagine are about $50USD. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This plugs into the 6 way (from memory) headers along side of each of the pic processors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>> -- >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html