X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=eO9tc0h1 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=z8qOeAjaJy48+SRVOeMu5A==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=KJlNJeHkcVsA:10 a=dq6fvYVFJ5YA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=XYAwZIGsAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=4-9nhfmFMAL1HkyUxZAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=hNKQSwnVG2QAMWeIagcA:9 a=xN3YiG1_HSvGXq7P:21 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=E8ToXWR_bxluHZ7gmE-Z:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@gmail.com" Received: from mail-ua1-f41.google.com ([209.85.222.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.12) with ESMTPS id 12679603 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 02:03:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.222.41; envelope-from=sam.hoskins@gmail.com Received: by mail-ua1-f41.google.com with SMTP id 34so2375928uar.8 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:03:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=iHkXMq78gUYcb6QsV0Cw/YnWE9B+TkI4KPZWMoiQAvk=; b=YDzxaPvnRmippw8yji+YxEhmERoYO1JQfyELrcoA1gQVEid8GPm3zgmVE2mfbqossm rBnbmzbJehFizE+r9EWviSBNJQ9KB0PMTt4l3XfJcud0qv8rfsg1OD0uY40M/sC0mebd 8/U1nTDXJsqt3Ybyji6QNGmQXPRAevpCIPUUhnM82SR+tnro7/2Yirm+7pzG/QK68P2R j1hLi5V2VsFx+om/LBmC8jGSzs0XW4AHvmp7nIuNeIeIfKgbUr3E/a/6WFCmz1a7vBVY PLg5BzrURlFbmerIZbxlYIAbVr/IxrkNyJbEh/goNnMLN1Im05hii75bL+lh/W9O4NOP /gRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=iHkXMq78gUYcb6QsV0Cw/YnWE9B+TkI4KPZWMoiQAvk=; b=ci3KF4CtnaKATDmINwsHOm1IivlnLBbqrhY/M0+Ld84zypn9DVKsV4DhyqgOc4cW6k yOScEI3i2xwTaHosFkj3L2lP2NDKtU8kRKjPU7EIXsfoJpPvGQHaQYBTmckoOE1bMpJZ RomzQ0rzvG+YyOFcLg6Xk+e0XRfqr+TMj3155BnHAdbjQbAi8rh8ux2LPpX837X/CIV4 80NbChZZODuJn3Ledun+frnTAgcoYJu7NG5Ia50RgGGSbI15Nok3KzVjP12GNZqYd7F5 AbeDxUQEyWSTlw7Nhst9PByKLyHdor2NIgjpmaZNANpk6WU0HRhSXCzAsFzaI/YwPrVO 8ydQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV15pQfneGQ0bTNu6V264P9MWNfVoZbKLzrpU8Xh+C8Gffp+LPg IOoPlSIpxQansIAt0IGeoosHBiuZXo+7PD1o+qYfrA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwJcwu1OqOuAII3Y9cQM6fDJ9vZKZT/0OvOwkFWkYqmS7suJQk/FFVtKHf0ReBRW3o2W9URo2W7U+7WHXCvKD8= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:3899:: with SMTP id t25mr31579715uaf.93.1560665006955; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:03:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 08:03:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 software To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005a63cd058b6aa38d" --0000000000005a63cd058b6aa38d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Finn. A lot of pieces still missing, but maybe there is still hope for my system. On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 5:51 AM Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Talked with Tracy today. > > Yes, programming pins are carried out to the DB connectors on the EC3. > However, there has been some instances where in-circuit programming > didn't go well (he never found out why), so he recommends programming > the chips removed from?? the board (for example using the socket I > ordered). He mentioned that he could not figure how to get it to work > with more recent versions of MPLABS and recommends version 8.15 or so > (should still be available on the Internet > https://www.microchip.com/development-tools/pic-and-dspic-downloads-archi= ve). > > Need to confirm that the version that worked for him is indeed 8.15 > > The config file should be automatically generated first time you compile > the code, unless he's forgotten something. > > Problem with Sam's version is he's forgotten the mental notes about the > differences between the rotary and the big bore aircraft engines. > Basically the EC3 is now old technology (the 18F452 chip considered > obsolete) and recommends using readily available Arduino-based engine > controller boards. > > Gave the example that even though the plans still exist , no one could > build a Saturn V rocket today, because the engineers and their notebooks > (mental and otherwise) on how to actually build it are gone. > > Regarding reading and understanding the code, remember that it is > interrupt-driven and not just one long series of sequential code. > > I hope I've properly understood and relayed his comments here. > > Finn > > On 6/15/2019 10:09 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Fin > > I see that on the J2 DB connector pins 1 and 11 are marked FACTORY USE > ONLY. > > These maybe for programming. > > Steve > > > >> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:50 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Fin > >> Sorry. I missed your photo, but found it just now. Yes, appears no > headers! > >> So we need a circuit diagram. Pins 16 &17 (PGD and PGC) of each > processor would need to be accessed for in circuit programming me thinks. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:35 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> I thought I'd posted a picture of the EC3 on 12 June. > >>> > >>> Trying again. > >>> > >>> There are no header pins. > >>> > >>> Finn > >>> > >>> On 6/15/2019 9:28 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > >>>> I only spent a few moments on it but the version of MPLABS I have > didn't accept the PICkit3 for programming the > >>>> 18F452 processors which appears in Tracy???s notes as the EC3 > processors. > >>>> > >>>> Have you looked inside your EC3? Are there 6 pin ICSP headers for in > circuit programming like he EC2? > >>>> > >>>> Would like to hear from Tracy or someone else that has experience > programmed the EC3. > >>>> We also need the config data for the compiler. > >>>> > >>>> Steve > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:03 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I hope that's not true. What makes you think that? > >>>>> > >>>>> I just ordered https://www.ebay.com/itm/262583587324 > >>>>> and https://www.ebay.com/itm/273846534119 > >>>>> I figured I can connect the 6 wires directly to the DIP40 pins, > bypassing the DIP40 socket. > >>>>> > >>>>> I still need to download MPLABS andget familiar with that, but > that's several weeks in the future. > >>>>> > >>>>> Finn > >>>>> (Currently fighting with the RV-4 cowl and trying to determine whic= h > radiator(s) and oil cooler to use.) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 6/15/2019 6:05 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> Hi Fin > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ive spent a few moments looking at the EC3 code. > >>>>>> I???ve previously updated the settings of my EC2 using the method > discussed previously, using MPLABS and a PICkit3, > >>>>>> however having looked at the EC3???s processor details I???m not > sure if it can be programmed with a tool like the PICkit3. > >>>>>> I???ll need to look further into this. > >>>>>> I???m hoping Tracy might be able to enlighten us re programming th= e > EC3 processors and the config settings required. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Does anyone else have the details re programming the EC3 etc. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Steve Izett > >>>>>>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 10:07 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.co= m > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> See pdf of an EC2 circuit board showing in-circuit programming > headers. The EC3 will be similar. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 9:10 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net = < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Something like this? > >>>>>>>> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/PICKit3-Microchip-Programmer-w-USB-cable-wires-P= ic-Kit-3-and-ICSP-Socket/391965539252?hash=3Ditem5b42f77bb4:g:je8AAOSw86JaY= 6CJ:sc:USPSFirstClass!32619!US!-1 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> and this? > >>>>>>>> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plcc44-to-dip40-usb-universal-programmer-ic-adap= ter-tester-socket-LB/273846534119?_trkparms=3Daid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%= 26ao%3D1%26asc%3D57921%26meid%3Db074d810b54f4576947055bf696657dc%26pid%3D10= 0005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D273856754141%26itm%3D273846534119&_trksid= =3Dp2047675.c100005.m1851 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What is a 6-way header? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I wonder if the above programmer will work with MPLabs (a 744 MB > download!) > >>>>>>>> > https://www.microchip.com/mplab/mplab-x-ide?gclid=3DCj0KCQjwov3nBRDFARIsA= NgsdoGRjNrAf5W07wtNtIBqL4MdFvN4apzRq5hhCoPP7bXzELwMPrM-RbQaAtixEALw_wcB > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Finn > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 6/11/2019 12:26 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com > wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I use a PICkit 3 programmer which I imagine are about $50USD. > >>>>>>>>> This plugs into the 6 way (from memory) headers along side of > each of the pic processors. > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>> -- > >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> > >> -- > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > --0000000000005a63cd058b6aa38d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Finn.=C2=A0

A lot of pieces still missing, but maybe there is still hope for = my system.=C2=A0


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019= , 5:51 AM Finn Lassen finn.lasse= n@verizon.net <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
https://www.mi= crochip.com/development-tools/pic-and-dspic-downloads-archive).
Need to confirm that the version that worked for him is indeed 8.15

The config file should be automatically generated first time you compile the code, unless he's forgotten something.

Problem with Sam's version is he's forgotten the mental notes about= the
differences between the rotary and the big bore aircraft engines.
Basically the EC3 is now old technology (the 18F452 chip considered
obsolete) and recommends using readily available Arduino-based engine
controller boards.

Gave the example that even though the plans still exist , no one could
build a Saturn V rocket today, because the engineers and their notebooks (mental and otherwise) on how to actually build it are gone.

Regarding reading and understanding the code, remember that it is
interrupt-driven and not just one long series of sequential code.

I hope I've properly understood and relayed his comments here.

Finn

On 6/15/2019 10:09 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote= :
> Hi Fin
> I see that on the J2 DB connector pins 1 and 11 are marked FACTORY USE= ONLY.
> These maybe for programming.
> Steve
>
>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:50 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail= .com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Fin
>> Sorry. I missed your photo, but found it just now. Yes, appears no= headers!
>> So we need a circuit diagram. Pins 16 &17 (PGD and PGC) of eac= h processor would need to be accessed for in circuit programming me thinks.=
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:35 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@veriz= on.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought I'd posted a picture of the EC3 on 12 June.
>>>
>>> Trying again.
>>>
>>> There are no header pins.
>>>
>>> Finn
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2019 9:28 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.c= om wrote:
>>>> I only spent a few moments on it but the version of MPLABS= I have didn't accept the PICkit3 for programming the
>>>> 18F452 processors which appears in Tracy???s notes as the = EC3 processors.
>>>>
>>>> Have you looked inside your EC3? Are there 6 pin ICSP head= ers for in circuit programming like he EC2?
>>>>
>>>> Would like to hear from Tracy or someone else that has exp= erience programmed the EC3.
>>>> We also need the config data for the compiler.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Jun 2019, at 9:03 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lass= en@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:<= br> >>>>>
>>>>> I hope that's not true. What makes you think that?=
>>>>>
>>>>> I just ordered https://www.ebay= .com/itm/262583587324
>>>>> and https://www.ebay.com/itm/27= 3846534119
>>>>> I figured I can connect the 6 wires directly to the DI= P40 pins, bypassing the DIP40 socket.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still need to download MPLABS andget familiar with t= hat, but that's several weeks in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finn
>>>>> (Currently fighting with the RV-4 cowl and trying to d= etermine which radiator(s) and oil cooler to use.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/15/2019 6:05 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett= @gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Fin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ive spent a few moments looking at the EC3 code. >>>>>> I???ve previously updated the settings of my EC2 u= sing the method discussed previously, using MPLABS and a PICkit3,
>>>>>> however having looked at the EC3???s processor det= ails I???m not sure if it can be programmed with a tool like the PICkit3. >>>>>> I???ll need to look further into this.
>>>>>> I???m hoping Tracy might be able to enlighten us r= e programming the EC3 processors and the config settings required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone else have the details re programming t= he EC3 etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Izett
>>>>>>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 10:07 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&= gt; wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See pdf of an EC2 circuit board showing in-cir= cuit programming headers. The EC3 will be similar.
>>>>>>> <EC2 Board.pdf>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11 Jun 2019, at 9:10 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Something like this?
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/= PICKit3-Microchip-Programmer-w-USB-cable-wires-Pic-Kit-3-and-ICSP-Socket/39= 1965539252?hash=3Ditem5b42f77bb4:g:je8AAOSw86JaY6CJ:sc:USPSFirstClass!32619= !US!-1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and this?
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plcc4= 4-to-dip40-usb-universal-programmer-ic-adapter-tester-socket-LB/27384653411= 9?_trkparms=3Daid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D57921%26meid%3D= b074d810b54f4576947055bf696657dc%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D= 273856754141%26itm%3D273846534119&_trksid=3Dp2047675.c100005.m1851<= br> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is a 6-way header?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if the above programmer will work= with MPLabs (a 744 MB download!)
>>>>>>>> https://www.microchip.com/mplab/mplab-x-ide?gclid=3DCj0KCQjwov= 3nBRDFARIsANgsdoGRjNrAf5W07wtNtIBqL4MdFvN4apzRq5hhCoPP7bXzELwMPrM-RbQaAtixE= ALw_wcB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2019 12:26 AM, Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I use a PICkit 3 programmer which I im= agine are about $50USD.
>>>>>>>>> This plugs into the 6 way (from memory= ) headers along side of each of the pic processors.
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