X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=JejCUnCV c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=mkXaO6UkrcTOUokUjSM1cw==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=KJlNJeHkcVsA:10 a=E5NmQfObTbMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=qBFUcJ2_AAAA:8 a=U6X_2EJcAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=fXhieQcJp9iOyrNfHy0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LKehEgn9J7AA:10 a=DafdoAFNBw4A:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=c6ZFHde3zhl1XSpO8YQA:9 a=Qgm-kUbhBC-WCvXE:21 a=B_RyunTPg8udlmYm5Cu2:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=cp47PM4wlqr5L9-lCGO5:22 a=nV98HLy25BINaCVz_2IH:22 a=4dqwQCo7Po2mVW515mGf:22 From: "Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@gmail.com" Received: from mail-vs1-f44.google.com ([209.85.217.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.12) with ESMTPS id 12589545 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 May 2019 11:13:07 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.217.44; envelope-from=sam.hoskins@gmail.com Received: by mail-vs1-f44.google.com with SMTP id w19so8948154vsw.8 for ; Sun, 26 May 2019 08:13:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GChTp9chJEKrGC1JXFcd5cHdTWze73G/s4pGfqoz+OE=; b=mDYoC0JYRAsO3CADADxIp7Luf4ajcuJkz842lEd8eYpyVBx5wwQaMVqYCelu2HA56x xeXHfXCSxSsZ+xfuQsRnbrLV6MxcOJrmC69c7JBaEb5teDAuT9lIzXulgKiWdu0yOnZx 9BvKGW/KWdeMn0vZMBUrpb6LE56Ax7iN+HsMbbjVmZzM8BT97zF8JkeTjnWRvuWazE6p bxh1zY243tXbODu8BMRpiwY1P5eJmOmFxFK+sSJB3HrYj3R7F+JE/N+L4Zsjn+XpKYqd J5pWZnIxSRPLVOFXMXVDDvRu35AeaclqT259+Vt2tquz5kFk40pJSfVLADeAWzuE2cyn spOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=GChTp9chJEKrGC1JXFcd5cHdTWze73G/s4pGfqoz+OE=; b=pmPAO/d+d4V8tZpGgLyuEWp5i3NQ3KwR0Gj9HMQEBboZGn+NfvAQY32sgYUIjRVYJw 5lLUy7EQWW4vtHK+1QlHXYCMUNN9EsfZ1EEjotfgLsdpRFZN5NH/e7AReRPSyQ8BJSLC RQbfAlCocGmBjGHKEKuPBunl4vhk8KmsBnI0PuOUzCyum6lamtnpeJVnOZ3glusSx8Jk fo2J1A5Njqcok36e7I3VsprydCU8wUA6RZrLueZKU31KbQKroKnGzUMypY6aO8rGzW5M qruTyiActJ66W9Z1+MaJKMU1/0A+JjpTEK4U4DIYE3huv+/7bu1djXenlmHjzhfbyi6O VekA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBVJJHMJm9cJg3Jufr5jMXgyr2ubVBhL9CR7VWfHN9yZg0Svja HDRppIxH43xOEcOSoKbM0pbvyRWuoiCZj6lbugHFP0gd X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx8TH4xWLYh2mGqm0S3x1G3QDryW2fVnooWyYhjpE9Res6EMeQA3JcW5YwvNlCh5mtLn8tp+kdI35W2vvY/N5g= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:101a:: with SMTP id q26mr23619615vsp.56.1558883570692; Sun, 26 May 2019 08:12:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 10:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: How to make a program change to my EC3? To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007a35d90589cbddf0" --0000000000007a35d90589cbddf0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I was looking through my blog, written 10 years ago, when I was first setting the system up. I do not have an em2 monitor. I use an automotive timing light on my ignition settings. I see that at wide open throttle I have a 25 degree advance, but at idle it advances to about 35 degrees. So if the EC3 is starting with that much advance, it's no wonder I'm getting kick back. However, I don't know if there is any sort of a ignition advance built into the EC3 that I don't know about. This kickback is a relatively new situation. For the first eight years or so I still had one magneto. I recently switched over to all electronic ignition, and that's when this started. On Sun, May 26, 2019, 9:52 AM eanderson@carolina.rr.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > Bill makes an excellent suggestion. When setting up your static timing > pointer to your pulley, if you move the spot for TDC on the pulley so that > it is a few degrees before/after (rotation wise) the timing pointer (A > little help here, can't recall which way is before/after TDC) thereby > retarding the timing, then you can use your EM4 to ensure the timing > setting in the EC3 for the Advance/Retard you want when engine is running. > Then when you initially start, the firing point should occur after TDC by a > couple degrees reducing the kick back probability and once running you can > adjust the timing advance once for you normal operation and be done with > it.. > > The main point is setting the static timing point so that it occurs af few > degrees after TDC on the pulley. > > Its been a while for me, so the rest of you guys jump in here. Sam > shouldn't have to swap out his EC3 to fix his kickback problem. > > Ed > > > Edward Anderson > Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC > 305 Reefton Rd > Weddington, NC 28104 -0569 > 704 821 7595 > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "William Schertz wschertz343@gmail.com" > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: 5/25/2019 2:18:11 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: How to make a program change to my EC3? > > I had an EC-2, and donated my plane to the local EAA chapter who sold it > to another user, so I no longer have the manual, but I believe it had a > programming option for advancing the timing when the engine is running, so > why not RETARD the timing mechanically and then use the advance system to > bring it forward when running? > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:36 AM Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> Another option would be the MegaSquirt/MicroSquirt family of controllers. >> Seems to be pretty mature tech, and at least in the case of the >> MicroSquirt, a very compact and affordable package. >> >> Charlie >> >> On 5/25/2019 9:28 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >> >> Tracy suggested I look into >> https://speeduino.com/wiki/index.php/Speeduino >> >> Sounds like a low-cost solution. But would require hardware changes and >> programming. >> >> Finn >> >> On 5/25/2019 9:59 AM, Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I have an EC3 installed in my O-200 powered Quickie Q-200 >> . I was wondering if anyone might have >> any suggestions.?? I need a simple (famous last words) programming change >> and was wondering if anyone might have any idea how I might do this. >> >> The problem is, the spark is not retarded during starting and all too >> often I get a nasty kickback. Doesn't happen all the time, but it still >> occurs.?? I have figured out that first running the starter without the >> ignition turned on seems to "loosen up" the engine and I have a better >> chance. This kickback has resulted in damage to the starter bearing and I >> have returned it to B&C for repairs. >> >> The circuit hoard has two main chips which are removable. The "A" side is >> the main controller for normal operations and the "B" side is the redundant >> side.?? >> >> Is there any someone could figure out what programming language was used, >> then modify it a bit? >> >> Tracy programmed Lyn French's controller to retard the spark during >> starting, so I know it can be done. >> >> If I can't make this programming change, I'll have to spend $3,000 - >> 5,000, installing another system, such as SDS, so I'm making a last ditch >> attempt.?? I would appreciate your thoughts. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Sam >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> [image: Avast logo] >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#m_1787248712279016083_m_-8542942413399644492_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> > --0000000000007a35d90589cbddf0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was looking through my blog, written 10 years ago, when= I was first setting the system up. I do not have an=C2=A0 em2 monitor. I u= se an automotive timing light on my ignition settings. I see that at wide o= pen throttle I have a 25 degree advance, but at idle it advances to about 3= 5 degrees. So if the EC3 is starting with that much advance, it's no wo= nder I'm getting kick back. However, I don't know if there is any s= ort of a ignition advance built into the EC3 that I don't know about.
This kickback is a relatively n= ew situation. For the first eight years or so I still had one magneto. I re= cently switched over to all electronic ignition, and that's when this s= tarted.

On Sun, May 26, 2019, 9:52 AM eanderson@carolina.rr.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Hi Sam,

Bill makes an excellent suggestion.= =C2=A0 When setting up your static timing pointer to your pulley, if you mo= ve the spot for TDC on the pulley so that it is a few degrees before/after = (rotation wise) =C2=A0the timing pointer (A little help here, can't rec= all which way is before/after TDC) thereby retarding the timing, then you c= an use your EM4 to ensure the timing setting in the EC3 for the Advance/Ret= ard you want when engine is running.=C2=A0 Then when you initially start, t= he firing point should occur after TDC by a couple degrees reducing the kic= k back probability and once running you can adjust the timing advance once = for you normal operation and be done with it.. =C2=A0

<= div>The main point is setting the static timing point so that it occurs af = few degrees =C2=A0after TDC =C2=A0on the pulley.

I= ts been a while for me, so the rest of you guys jump in here.=C2=A0 Sam sho= uldn't have to swap out his EC3 to fix his kickback problem.
=
Ed


Edward Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Rd<= div>Weddington, NC 28104 -0569
704 821 7595

<= /div>
------ Original Message ------
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net>
Sent: 5/25/2019 2:18:11 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: How to make a program change to my EC3?
=

I had an EC-2, and donated my plane to the local EAA chapt= er who sold it to another user, so I no longer have the manual, but I belie= ve it had a programming option for advancing the timing when the engine is = running, so why not RETARD the timing mechanically and then use the advance= system to bring it forward when running?

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:36 AM Ch= arlie England ceengland7@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironli= ne.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Another option would be the MegaSquirt/MicroSquirt family of controllers. Seems to be pretty mature tech, and at least in the case of the MicroSquirt, a very compact and affordable package.

Charlie

On 5/25/2019 9:28 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.n= et wrote:
=20
Tracy suggested I look into https://s= peeduino.com/wiki/index.php/Speeduino

Sounds like a low-cost solution. But would require hardware changes and programming.

Finn

On 5/25/2019 9:59 AM, Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@gmail.com= wrote:
=20
I have an EC3 installed in my O-200 powered Quickie Q-= 200. I was wondering if anyone might have any suggestions.?? I need a simple (famous last words) programming change and was wondering if anyone might have any idea how I might do this.

The problem is, the spark is not retarded during starting and all too often I get a nasty kickback. Doesn't happen al= l the time, but it still occurs.?? I have figured out that first running the starter without the ignition turned on seems to "loosen up" the engine and I have a better c= hance. This kickback has resulted in damage to the starter bearing and I have returned it to B&C for repairs.

The circuit hoard has two main chips which are removable. The "A" side is the main controller for normal operat= ions and the "B" side is the redundant side.??

Is there any someone could figure out what programming language was used, then modify it a bit?

Tracy programmed Lyn French's controller to retard the spark during starting, so I know it can be done.

If I can't make this programming change, I'll have t= o spend $3,000 - 5,000, installing another system, such as SDS, so I'm making a last ditch attempt.?? I would appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks.

Sam





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