X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=JejCUnCV c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=IBBd4mfYbHH0FwRH8ATKPw==:117 a=vhm3GwjUlMip0Inz7/w+Eg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=E5NmQfObTbMA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=thQBJx2DXM1CatvFjOEA:9 a=cZkQRDy-zHxETT6J:21 a=LZRvjjoUkCkBmltm:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=O7JrbXJQMAFQwAlqNT4A:9 a=oERzWtctLv3rDru_:21 a=IXvttSd3R5BRd9lv:21 a=nf0AsvLosn0_vfvu:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=4dqwQCo7Po2mVW515mGf:22 From: " eanderson@carolina.rr.com" Received: from [107.14.166.227] (HELO cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.12) with ESMTPS id 12574982 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 May 2019 10:09:34 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=107.14.166.227; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from [192.168.1.7] ([71.75.201.150]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Siyqh3bSQXGq6SiyshIaAS; Mon, 20 May 2019 14:09:35 +0000 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:09:34 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com User-Agent: eM_Client/7.2.34731.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MBE27A5FA5-6E15-456D-ACC3-D9BBD52CA11F" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfEFGgWJJKD5YH42m+nmLW/DQx5haEWfK0MVU3b1veAhM6gbLlxnoa8VE+lObNly01u2c6TV+/z3mDsYwO+DFImdRLjBHi8ry25eQ27HHvFbRZY0UyJjI KvE3nVUkshEkXL+JFLGyCHev2Tjo5Xw7oeibZWfFhjcE8TqQJ8N2v4hmVQVxbBXcL2UVcuVsZA0eHg== --------=_MBE27A5FA5-6E15-456D-ACC3-D9BBD52CA11F Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, Want to say that is nicest cowed rotary installation that I have yet=20 seen. Great looking aircraft. Ed ------ Original Message ------ From: "David COOK hoursaway1@comcast.net" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: 5/19/2019 9:55:33 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member >Yep, first met Ed at Sun-N-Fun 2005, lots of great info. David=20 >R. Cook RV6A Rotary Lansing MI > >>On May 18, 2019 at 8:25 PM "Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com"=20 >> wrote: >> >>When I first joined this list back in 2000, the list name was actually=20 >>"PlugsUp" as it was my understanding that it was formed due to the=20 >>moderator of the "other list" refusing to allow any discussion of such=20 >>heresy. The list quickly became populated with builders such as myself=20 >>that while not pursuing a plugs-up installation for my own project, we=20 >>did value the open and thoughtful discussion that was contributed by=20 >>those that were either banned or voluntarily left the other list. Soon=20 >>the list changed name to the current "FlyRotary" name to better=20 >>reflect the membership, but while the focus was no longer on plugs-up=20 >>installations, the contributions by Ed and his experiences were many=20 >>of the most valuable during my build. >> His regular contributions are sorely missed, and while it is sad=20 >>that his flying days are over, I am very pleased to hear that his=20 >>aircraft will soon be back in the sky and that you've joined the list=20 >>as well. >> >>Todd Bartrim >>C-FSTB >>RV9 13BTurbo >> >> >>On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM Le Roux Breytenbach=20 >>breytenbachleroux@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>>David: Yes i have read an article about the installation and=20 >>>expecially the "trials and tribulations " and how he sorted out all=20 >>>the growing pains of the installation. >>>For all the R&D that was done i am very grateful. >>>My installation is a footprint of his setup but only a p port. >>>Thanks let us now when the "bluebird RV6 " is in the hangar. >>> >>>Regards Le Roux >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On 18 May 2019, at 21:49, David Gray todavidgray@yahoo.com <=20 >>>flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> > >>> > I have not yet finalized the purchase of Ed=E2=80=99s aircraft. I pl= an to=20 >>>go to NC in 2 or 3 weeks to pick up and bring back to Dallas. Ed=20 >>>could accurately state how many hours he has on the current=20 >>>installation, which is plugs up. I know it is several hundred. =20 >>>There was apparently much debate about the pro=E2=80=99s and con=E2=80= =99s of the=20 >>>plugs up installation back at the time. He says that none of the=20 >>>con=E2=80=99s that had been postulated by others ever appeared in those= =20 >>>several hundred hours of flight time. I have been very impressed=20 >>>with the design and analysis that Ed put into every aspect of his=20 >>>installation. Maybe Ed will chime in here soon. >>> > >>> > David Gray >>> > >>> > >>> >> On May 16, 2019, at 12:47 AM, Le Roux Breytenbach=20 >>>breytenbachleroux@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Neil: The engine gets a "side sump' the, oil flow in gravity to=20 >>>the >>> >> sump, is still the same in a normal position or 90 degree >>> >> anticlockwise (pilot view) >>> >> >>> >> The oil pick-up in the sump must just be the same length otherwise= =20 >>>it >>> >> will have problems in suction. >>> >> >>> >> I have designed some drawings and ideas can post in on the group=20 >>>for discussion. >>> >> >>> >> The same principle=E2=80=99s that Ed used in his engine setup. >>> >> Wondering how many hours Ed`s 13B logged ? Maybe David Gray can=20 >>>help >>> >> me, saw that he bought the RV 6 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Le R. Breytenbach >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com >>> >> < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le Roux, >>> >>> >>> >>> You are no different to me in Australia -- a=20 >>>long way from anywhere. In fact one wag called his farm "worlds end"=20 >>>so I am close!!! I have never been in any discussion with a Plugs up=20 >>>engine, but I do recall it creates grief as well. What do you do=20 >>>with the sump? Sure anything can be altered, but every time you=20 >>>alter something it takes both time and money. I no longer have=20 >>>either, so tend to keep it simple and standard where possible. =20 >>>Welcome to the group, there are many brilliant minds here with lots=20 >>>of experience and great advice. >>> >>> >>> >>> Neil. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/16/2019 2:34 PM, Le Roux Breytenbach=20 >>>breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave - thank you i feel sometimes a bit " isolated " here in=20 >>>South Africa in the experimental builders class. Has also joinned the=20 >>>EAA in USA to "stay on par" with the new technologies in the=20 >>>experimental class. >>> >>> I have allready converted my 13B turbo model to a p port 44 mm=20 >>>inside diameter. >>> >>> Regarding the slidethrottle and intakes i think i must go with a=20 >>>plugs up mount with a downdraft holley and leaning block. >>> >>> Or if somebody on the group can helped me on the "plugs up=20 >>>topic." Has not scroll all the threads on the group yet - forgive me=20 >>>if it was an old topic. >>> >>> Here in South Africa some of the websites are blocked by servers=20 >>>and can't get hold off more info. >>> >>> I saw that David Gray bought Ed's bird ,saw a article years ago=20 >>>about his plugs up mount, is it still relevant? Seems much more=20 >>>practical for the exaust outlet and the correct intake runner length. >>> >>> >>> >>> Le Roux Breytenbach >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 May 2019, at 21:28, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <=20 >>>flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Glad to have you on board. I think the rotary is a great choice=20 >>>for a Vision. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Leonard >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:22 AM Le Roux Breytenbach=20 >>>breytenbachleroux@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi i am a new member on the group.I am from South Africa and=20 >>>busy building a Vision Ex composite aircraft. >>> >>>> The 13B Mazda is my engine of choice and sure that will find=20 >>>more info on the mailing group. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Le Roux Breytenbach >>> >>>> ZA >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> >>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> >> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> > Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >>>-- >>>Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>Archive and UnSub: =20 >>>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --------=_MBE27A5FA5-6E15-456D-ACC3-D9BBD52CA11F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hi David,

Want to say that is nicest cowed rota= ry installation that I have yet seen. =C2=A0Great looking aircraft.

Ed

------ Original Message ------
From: "David COOK hoursaway1@comcast.net" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: 5/19/2019 9:55:33 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member

Yep, first met Ed at Sun-N-Fun 2005, lots of great info= .=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0David R. Cook RV6A= Rotary Lansing MI

On May= 18, 2019 at 8:25 PM "Todd Bartrim bart= rim@gmail.com" <flyro= tary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

When I= first joined this list back in 2000, the list name was actually "PlugsUp" a= s it was my understanding that it was formed due to the moderator of the "o= ther list" refusing to allow any discussion of such heresy. The list quickl= y became populated with builders such as myself that while not pursuing a p= lugs-up installation for my own project, we did value the open and thoughtf= ul discussion that was contributed by those that were either banned or volu= ntarily left the other list. Soon the list changed name to the current "Fly= Rotary" name to better reflect the membership, but while the focus was no l= onger on plugs-up installations, the contributions by Ed and his experience= s were many of the most valuable during my build.
=C2=A0 His regular co= ntributions are sorely missed, and while it is sad that his flying days are = over, I am very pleased to hear that his aircraft will soon be back in the = sky and that you've joined the list as well.

Todd Bartrim
C-FSTB
RV9 13BTurbo
=

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM L= e Roux Breytenbach breytenba= chleroux@gmail.com < = flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
David: Y= es i have read an article about the installation and expecially the "trials = and tribulations " and how he sorted out all the growing pains of the inst= allation.
For all the R&D that was done i am very grateful. My installation is a footprint of his setup but only a p port.
Th= anks let us now when the "bluebird RV6 " is in the hangar.

Re= gards Le Roux




Sent from my iPhone
=
> On 18 May 2019, at 21:49, David Gray todavidgray@yahoo.com < flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net> wrote:
>
> I have not yet finalized the p= urchase of Ed=E2=80=99s aircraft.=C2=A0 I plan to go to NC in 2 or 3 weeks= to pick up and bring back to Dallas.=C2=A0 Ed could accurately state how ma= ny hours he has on the current installation, which is plugs up.=C2=A0 I kno= w it is several hundred.=C2=A0 There was apparently much debate about the p= ro=E2=80=99s and con=E2=80=99s of the plugs up installation back at the tim= e.=C2=A0 He says that none of the con=E2=80=99s that had been postulated by = others ever appeared in those several hundred hours of flight time.=C2=A0= I have been very impressed with the design and analysis that Ed put into ev= ery aspect of his installation. Maybe Ed will chime in here soon.
&g= t;
> David Gray
>
>
>> On May 16= , 2019, at 12:47 AM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Neil: The engine g= ets a "side sump' the, oil flow in gravity to the
>> sump, is= still the same in a normal position or 90 degree
>> anticlockw= ise (pilot view)
>>
>> The oil pick-up in the sum= p must just be the same length otherwise it
>> will have probl= ems in suction.
>>
>> I have designed some drawin= gs and ideas can post in on the group for discussion.
>>
>> The same principle=E2=80=99s that Ed used in his engine setup. <= br /> >> Wondering how many hours Ed`s=C2=A0 13B logged ?=C2=A0 Maybe = David Gray can help
>> me, saw that he bought the RV 6
= >>
>>
>> Le R. Breytenbach
>> =
>>
>> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Neil Unger = 12348ung@gmail.com<= /a>
>> < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>= ;
>>> Le Roux,
>>>
>>>=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 You are no diff= erent to me in Australia -- a long way from anywhere.=C2=A0 In fact one wag = called his farm "worlds end" so I am close!!!=C2=A0 I have never been in a= ny discussion with a Plugs up engine, but I do recall it creates grief as w= ell.=C2=A0 What do you do with the sump?=C2=A0 Sure anything can be altered= , but every time you alter something it takes both time and money.=C2=A0 I= no longer have either, so tend to keep it simple and standard where possibl= e.=C2=A0 Welcome to the group, there are many brilliant minds here with lot= s of experience and great advice.
>>>
>>> N= eil.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/2019 2:34 PM, Le Roux= Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>= > Dave - thank you i feel sometimes a bit " isolated " here in South Afr= ica in the experimental builders class. Has also joinned the EAA in USA to= "stay on par" with the new technologies in the experimental class.
&= gt;>> I have allready converted my 13B turbo model to a p port 44 mm= inside diameter.
>>> Regarding the slidethrottle and intake= s i think i must go with a plugs up mount with a downdraft holley and leani= ng block.
>>> Or if somebody on the group can helped me on= the "plugs up topic." Has not scroll all the threads on the group yet - for= give me if it was an old topic.
>>> Here in South Africa so= me of the websites are blocked by servers and can't get hold off more info. =
>>> I saw that David Gray bought Ed's bird ,saw a article= years ago about his plugs up mount, is it still relevant? Seems much more p= ractical for the exaust outlet and the correct intake runner length.
= >>>
>>> Le Roux Breytenbach
>>> <= br /> >>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPh= one
>>>
>>> On 15 May 2019, at 21:28, David = Leonard wdleonard@= gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>> >>> Glad to have you on board.=C2=A0 I think the rotary is a gr= eat choice for a Vision.
>>>
>>> Dave Leona= rd
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:22 = AM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> = wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi i am a new membe= r on the group.I am from South Africa and busy building a Vision Ex composi= te aircraft.
>>>> The 13B Mazda is my engine of choice a= nd sure that will find more info on the mailing group.
>>>&= gt;
>>>> Le Roux Breytenbach
>>>> ZA=
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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