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I get it; we'll all have to face that decision at some point, if we're fortunate enough to live that long. Do know that you're missed at all our rotary gatherings. Please stay on the list, and keep contributing. " Well Said Charlie. Great to hear from you again Ed. Dave Leonard On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 9:13 AM Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > UH-OH. Maybe I should have never have passed that 1st flight physical.... > > Hi, Ed. I get it; we'll all have to face that decision at some point, if > we're fortunate enough to live that long. Do know that you're missed at a= ll > our rotary gatherings. Please stay on the list, and keep contributing. > > Charlie > > > On 5/19/2019 10:29 AM, eanderson@carolina.rr.com wrote: > > > Thanks for the kind words, Todd > > While it was a difficult decision to give up my rotary baby due to all of > the great times and exchanges with all of you folks, my self evaulation > indicated that it was the right time to do it. While foruntately in grea= t > health, *I had notice that I was becoming more easily distracted* - that > wasn't so bad, but I found more often that I was not getting back to the > point before the distraction. I concluded that added to the risk factor > and throw in 8 decades of living and it was time to make the decision. A > couple of sucessful engine-out experiences fortunately ending in > successful, no-damage landings and my youngest sisters warning that my > "guardian Angle" was not getting any younger either - and the decision > was made. > > I intended to sell the airframe minus the rotary installation, but David > cited his rotary racing experience with the engine and desire to fly it > with rotary convinced me to leave it in. > > I still monitor the list and although I no longer make much of a > contribution, it just feels good to hear you guys carry on. > > Best Regards > > Ed > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: 5/18/2019 8:25:56 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member > > When I first joined this list back in 2000, the list name was actually > "PlugsUp" as it was my understanding that it was formed due to the > moderator of the "other list" refusing to allow any discussion of such > heresy. The list quickly became populated with builders such as myself th= at > while not pursuing a plugs-up installation for my own project, we did val= ue > the open and thoughtful discussion that was contributed by those that wer= e > either banned or voluntarily left the other list. Soon the list changed > name to the current "FlyRotary" name to better reflect the membership, bu= t > while the focus was no longer on plugs-up installations, the contribution= s > by Ed and his experiences were many of the most valuable during my build. > His regular contributions are sorely missed, and while it is sad that > his flying days are over, I am very pleased to hear that his aircraft wil= l > soon be back in the sky and that you've joined the list as well. > > Todd Bartrim > C-FSTB > RV9 13BTurbo > > > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM Le Roux Breytenbach > breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: > >> David: Yes i have read an article about the installation and expecially >> the "trials and tribulations " and how he sorted out all the growing pai= ns >> of the installation. >> For all the R&D that was done i am very grateful. >> My installation is a footprint of his setup but only a p port. >> Thanks let us now when the "bluebird RV6 " is in the hangar. >> >> Regards Le Roux >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 18 May 2019, at 21:49, David Gray todavidgray@yahoo.com < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> > >> > I have not yet finalized the purchase of Ed=E2=80=99s aircraft. I pla= n to go >> to NC in 2 or 3 weeks to pick up and bring back to Dallas. Ed could >> accurately state how many hours he has on the current installation, whic= h >> is plugs up. I know it is several hundred. There was apparently much >> debate about the pro=E2=80=99s and con=E2=80=99s of the plugs up install= ation back at the >> time. He says that none of the con=E2=80=99s that had been postulated b= y others >> ever appeared in those several hundred hours of flight time. I have bee= n >> very impressed with the design and analysis that Ed put into every aspec= t >> of his installation. Maybe Ed will chime in here soon. >> > >> > David Gray >> > >> > >> >> On May 16, 2019, at 12:47 AM, Le Roux Breytenbach >> breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Neil: The engine gets a "side sump' the, oil flow in gravity to the >> >> sump, is still the same in a normal position or 90 degree >> >> anticlockwise (pilot view) >> >> >> >> The oil pick-up in the sump must just be the same length otherwise it >> >> will have problems in suction. >> >> >> >> I have designed some drawings and ideas can post in on the group for >> discussion. >> >> >> >> The same principle=E2=80=99s that Ed used in his engine setup. >> >> Wondering how many hours Ed`s 13B logged ? Maybe David Gray can hel= p >> >> me, saw that he bought the RV 6 >> >> >> >> >> >> Le R. Breytenbach >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Le Roux, >> >>> >> >>> You are no different to me in Australia -- a long >> way from anywhere. In fact one wag called his farm "worlds end" so I am >> close!!! I have never been in any discussion with a Plugs up engine, bu= t I >> do recall it creates grief as well. What do you do with the sump? Sure >> anything can be altered, but every time you alter something it takes bot= h >> time and money. I no longer have either, so tend to keep it simple and >> standard where possible. Welcome to the group, there are many brilliant >> minds here with lots of experience and great advice. >> >>> >> >>> Neil. >> >>> >> >>> On 5/16/2019 2:34 PM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.co= m >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dave - thank you i feel sometimes a bit " isolated " here in South >> Africa in the experimental builders class. Has also joinned the EAA in U= SA >> to "stay on par" with the new technologies in the experimental class. >> >>> I have allready converted my 13B turbo model to a p port 44 mm insid= e >> diameter. >> >>> Regarding the slidethrottle and intakes i think i must go with a >> plugs up mount with a downdraft holley and leaning block. >> >>> Or if somebody on the group can helped me on the "plugs up topic." >> Has not scroll all the threads on the group yet - forgive me if it was a= n >> old topic. >> >>> Here in South Africa some of the websites are blocked by servers and >> can't get hold off more info. >> >>> I saw that David Gray bought Ed's bird ,saw a article years ago abou= t >> his plugs up mount, is it still relevant? Seems much more practical for = the >> exaust outlet and the correct intake runner length. >> >>> >> >>> Le Roux Breytenbach >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>> On 15 May 2019, at 21:28, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Glad to have you on board. I think the rotary is a great choice for >> a Vision. >> >>> >> >>> Dave Leonard >> >>> >> >>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:22 AM Le Roux Breytenbach >> breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi i am a new member on the group.I am from South Africa and busy >> building a Vision Ex composite aircraft. >> >>>> The 13B Mazda is my engine of choice and sure that will find more >> info on the mailing group. >> >>>> >> >>>> Le Roux Breytenbach >> >>>> ZA >> >>>> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>>> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> > Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > > > Virus-free= . > www.avast.com > > <#m_-5640729132127300644_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > --0000000000009d412f058941dc50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Charlie Said:
"Hi, Ed. I get it; we'll = all have to face that decision at some point, if we're fortunate enough= to live that long. Do know that you're missed at all our rotary gather= ings. Please stay on the list, and keep contributing. "=C2=A0
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Well Said Charlie. Great to hear from you again Ed.

Dave Leonard

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 9:13 AM Charlie = England ceengland7@gmail.com &l= t;flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
UH-OH. Maybe= I should have never have passed that 1st flight physical....

Hi, Ed. I get it; we'll all have to face that decision at some point, if we're fortunate enough to live that long. Do know that you're missed at all our rotary gatherings. Please stay on the list, and keep contributing.

Charlie


On 5/19/2019 10:29 AM, eanderson@carolina.rr.com wrote:
=20

Thanks for the kind words, Todd

While it was a difficult decision to give up my rotary baby due to all of the great times and exchanges with all of you folks, my self evaulation indicated that it was the right time to do it.=C2=A0 While foruntately in great health, I had notice that I was becoming more easily distracted - that wasn't so bad, but I found more often that I was not getting back to the point before the distraction.=C2=A0 I concluded that added to t= he risk factor and throw in 8 decades of living and it was time to make the decision.=C2=A0 A couple of sucessful engine-out experienc= es fortunately ending in successful, no-damage landings and my youngest sisters warning that my "guardian Angle" was not getting any younger either =C2=A0- =C2=A0and the decision was made.= =C2=A0

I intended to sell the airframe minus the rotary installation, but David cited his rotary racing experience with the engine and desire to fly it with rotary convinced me to leave it in.

I still monitor the list and although I no longer make much of a contribution, it just feels good to hear you guys carry on.

Best Regards

Ed


------ Original Message ------
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net<= /a>>
Sent: 5/18/2019 8:25:56 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member

When I first joined this list back in 2000, the list name was actually "PlugsUp" as it was my underst= anding that it was formed due to the moderator of the "other list= " refusing to allow any discussion of such heresy. The list quickly became populated with builders such as myself that while not pursuing a plugs-up installation for my own project, we did value the open and thoughtful discussion that was contributed by those that were either banned or voluntarily left the other list. Soon the list changed name to the current "FlyRotary" name to better reflect the membership, but while the focus was no longer on plugs-up installations, the contributions by Ed and his experiences were many of the most valuable during my build.
=C2=A0 His regular contributions are sorely missed, and while it is sad that his flying days are over, I am very pleased to hear that his aircraft will soon be back in the sky and that you've joined the list as well.

Todd Bartrim
C-FSTB
RV9 13BTurbo


On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
David: Yes i = have read an article about the installation and expecially the "trials and tribulations " and how he sorted out al= l the growing pains of the installation.
For all the R&D that was done i am very grateful.
My installation is a footprint of his setup but only a p port.
Thanks let us now when the "bluebird RV6 " is in th= e hangar.

Regards Le Roux




Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 May 2019, at 21:49, David Gray todavidgray@yahoo.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> I have not yet finalized the purchase of Ed=E2=80=99s aircraft.=C2=A0 I plan to go to NC in 2 or 3 weeks to pick up and bring back to Dallas.=C2=A0 Ed could accurately state how many hours he has on the current installation, which is plugs up.=C2=A0 I know it is several hundred.=C2=A0 There was apparently much debate about the pro=E2=80=99s and con=E2=80= =99s of the plugs up installation back at the time.=C2=A0 He says that no= ne of the con=E2=80=99s that had been postulated by others ever appeared in those several hundred hours of flight time.=C2=A0= I have been very impressed with the design and analysis that Ed put into every aspect of his installation. Maybe Ed will chime in here soon.
>
> David Gray
>
>
>> On May 16, 2019, at 12:47 AM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Neil: The engine gets a "side sump' the, oi= l flow in gravity to the
>> sump, is still the same in a normal position or 90 degree
>> anticlockwise (pilot view)
>>
>> The oil pick-up in the sump must just be the same length otherwise it
>> will have problems in suction.
>>
>> I have designed some drawings and ideas can post in on the group for discussion.
>>
>> The same principle=E2=80=99s that Ed used in his eng= ine setup.
>> Wondering how many hours Ed`s=C2=A0 13B logged ?=C2= =A0 Maybe David Gray can help
>> me, saw that he bought the RV 6
>>
>>
>> Le R. Breytenbach
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com
>> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Le Roux,
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 You are no different to me in Australia -- a long way from anywhere.=C2=A0 In fact one w= ag called his farm "worlds end" so I am close!!!=C2=A0= I have never been in any discussion with a Plugs up engine, but I do recall it creates grief as well.=C2=A0 What do you do with the sump?=C2=A0 Sure anything can be altered, but every time you alter something it takes both time and money.=C2=A0 I no longer have either, so tend to keep it simple and standard where possible.=C2=A0 Welcome to the group, there are many brilliant minds here with lots of experience and great advice.
>>>
>>> Neil.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/2019 2:34 PM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachlerou= x@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave - thank you i feel sometimes a bit " isolated " here in South Africa in the experimental builders class. Has also joinned the EAA in USA to "stay on par" with the new technologies in the experimental class.
>>> I have allready converted my 13B turbo model to a p port 44 mm inside diameter.
>>> Regarding the slidethrottle and intakes i think i must go with a plugs up mount with a downdraft holley and leaning block.
>>> Or if somebody on the group can helped me on the "plugs up topic." Has not scroll all the thread= s on the group yet - forgive me if it was an old topic.
>>> Here in South Africa some of the websites are blocked by servers and can't get hold off more info.
>>> I saw that David Gray bought Ed's bird ,saw = a article years ago about his plugs up mount, is it still relevant? Seems much more practical for the exaust outlet and the correct intake runner length.
>>>
>>> Le Roux Breytenbach
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 15 May 2019, at 21:28, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Glad to have you on board.=C2=A0 I think the rotary is a great choice for a Vision.
>>>
>>> Dave Leonard
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:22 AM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi i am a new member on the group.I am from South Africa and busy building a Vision Ex composite aircraft.
>>>> The 13B Mazda is my engine of choice and sure that will find more info on the mailing group.
>>>>
>>>> Le Roux Breytenbach
>>>> ZA
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> --
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