X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=JejCUnCV c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=ETega+nbS3+xdiRfP8gCgQ==:117 a=vhm3GwjUlMip0Inz7/w+Eg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=E5NmQfObTbMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=rukJ1u-L8kOCBi8_W3AA:9 a=erJfgHr32VfDLVWt:21 a=qbJ-5u-j5-CeBwjV:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=BUl6AQxxxQ2nVvI-dy8A:9 a=qyJV12DGIZt5D5MF:21 a=fB4tz0fbDQnGv6-D:21 a=GS0tNzBfGMAygoX9:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=4dqwQCo7Po2mVW515mGf:22 From: " eanderson@carolina.rr.com" Received: from [107.14.166.231] (HELO cdptpa-cmomta02.email.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.12) with ESMTPS id 12572742 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 May 2019 11:30:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=107.14.166.231; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from [192.168.1.7] ([71.75.201.150]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id SNl8h9rJcdLG1SNlAhFV0I; Sun, 19 May 2019 15:30:00 +0000 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 15:29:59 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com User-Agent: eM_Client/7.2.34731.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MBF9C3A889-E7F0-4178-8B38-FB12DB909778" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIwCHVaro+IKtkX9htCoeVNd3DItf6mlkjm3ZlqBR7V1A89ZywZUUp96X01DA/78KWKFsapXhnQmaIo9kbJ8+rQgqhnmOtOTwoASi4TJAKttiQHitYXP 2WCyy4/4oeRbr9UN5XTpfJd+R1x0WMyO2/UogFCRUnMiKTldAJ0hR8S28FL4VDA1RhxiLypLU/pl2w== --------=_MBF9C3A889-E7F0-4178-8B38-FB12DB909778 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the kind words, Todd While it was a difficult decision to give up my rotary baby due to all=20 of the great times and exchanges with all of you folks, my self=20 evaulation indicated that it was the right time to do it. While=20 foruntately in great health, I had notice that I was becoming more=20 easily distracted - that wasn't so bad, but I found more often that I=20 was not getting back to the point before the distraction. I concluded=20 that added to the risk factor and throw in 8 decades of living and it=20 was time to make the decision. A couple of sucessful engine-out=20 experiences fortunately ending in successful, no-damage landings and my=20 youngest sisters warning that my "guardian Angle" was not getting any=20 younger either - and the decision was made. I intended to sell the airframe minus the rotary installation, but David=20 cited his rotary racing experience with the engine and desire to fly it=20 with rotary convinced me to leave it in. I still monitor the list and although I no longer make much of a=20 contribution, it just feels good to hear you guys carry on. Best Regards Ed ------ Original Message ------ From: "Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: 5/18/2019 8:25:56 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member >When I first joined this list back in 2000, the list name was actually=20 >"PlugsUp" as it was my understanding that it was formed due to the=20 >moderator of the "other list" refusing to allow any discussion of such=20 >heresy. The list quickly became populated with builders such as myself=20 >that while not pursuing a plugs-up installation for my own project, we=20 >did value the open and thoughtful discussion that was contributed by=20 >those that were either banned or voluntarily left the other list. Soon=20 >the list changed name to the current "FlyRotary" name to better reflect=20 >the membership, but while the focus was no longer on plugs-up=20 >installations, the contributions by Ed and his experiences were many of=20 >the most valuable during my build. > His regular contributions are sorely missed, and while it is sad that= =20 >his flying days are over, I am very pleased to hear that his aircraft=20 >will soon be back in the sky and that you've joined the list as well. > >Todd Bartrim >C-FSTB >RV9 13BTurbo > > >On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM Le Roux Breytenbach=20 >breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: >>David: Yes i have read an article about the installation and=20 >>expecially the "trials and tribulations " and how he sorted out all=20 >>the growing pains of the installation. >>For all the R&D that was done i am very grateful. >>My installation is a footprint of his setup but only a p port. >>Thanks let us now when the "bluebird RV6 " is in the hangar. >> >>Regards Le Roux >> >> >> >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 18 May 2019, at 21:49, David Gray todavidgray@yahoo.com=20 >> wrote: >> > >> > I have not yet finalized the purchase of Ed=E2=80=99s aircraft. I pla= n to=20 >>go to NC in 2 or 3 weeks to pick up and bring back to Dallas. Ed=20 >>could accurately state how many hours he has on the current=20 >>installation, which is plugs up. I know it is several hundred. There=20 >>was apparently much debate about the pro=E2=80=99s and con=E2=80=99s of t= he plugs up=20 >>installation back at the time. He says that none of the con=E2=80=99s th= at=20 >>had been postulated by others ever appeared in those several hundred=20 >>hours of flight time. I have been very impressed with the design and=20 >>analysis that Ed put into every aspect of his installation. Maybe Ed=20 >>will chime in here soon. >> > >> > David Gray >> > >> > >> >> On May 16, 2019, at 12:47 AM, Le Roux Breytenbach=20 >>breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Neil: The engine gets a "side sump' the, oil flow in gravity to the >> >> sump, is still the same in a normal position or 90 degree >> >> anticlockwise (pilot view) >> >> >> >> The oil pick-up in the sump must just be the same length otherwise=20 >>it >> >> will have problems in suction. >> >> >> >> I have designed some drawings and ideas can post in on the group=20 >>for discussion. >> >> >> >> The same principle=E2=80=99s that Ed used in his engine setup. >> >> Wondering how many hours Ed`s 13B logged ? Maybe David Gray can=20 >>help >> >> me, saw that he bought the RV 6 >> >> >> >> >> >> Le R. Breytenbach >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Le Roux, >> >>> >> >>> You are no different to me in Australia -- a long= =20 >>way from anywhere. In fact one wag called his farm "worlds end" so I=20 >>am close!!! I have never been in any discussion with a Plugs up=20 >>engine, but I do recall it creates grief as well. What do you do with=20 >>the sump? Sure anything can be altered, but every time you alter=20 >>something it takes both time and money. I no longer have either, so=20 >>tend to keep it simple and standard where possible. Welcome to the=20 >>group, there are many brilliant minds here with lots of experience and=20 >>great advice. >> >>> >> >>> Neil. >> >>> >> >>> On 5/16/2019 2:34 PM, Le Roux Breytenbach=20 >>breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dave - thank you i feel sometimes a bit " isolated " here in South= =20 >>Africa in the experimental builders class. Has also joinned the EAA in=20 >>USA to "stay on par" with the new technologies in the experimental=20 >>class. >> >>> I have allready converted my 13B turbo model to a p port 44 mm=20 >>inside diameter. >> >>> Regarding the slidethrottle and intakes i think i must go with a=20 >>plugs up mount with a downdraft holley and leaning block. >> >>> Or if somebody on the group can helped me on the "plugs up topic."= =20 >>Has not scroll all the threads on the group yet - forgive me if it was=20 >>an old topic. >> >>> Here in South Africa some of the websites are blocked by servers=20 >>and can't get hold off more info. >> >>> I saw that David Gray bought Ed's bird ,saw a article years ago=20 >>about his plugs up mount, is it still relevant? Seems much more=20 >>practical for the exaust outlet and the correct intake runner length. >> >>> >> >>> Le Roux Breytenbach >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>> On 15 May 2019, at 21:28, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com=20 >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Glad to have you on board. I think the rotary is a great choice=20 >>for a Vision. >> >>> >> >>> Dave Leonard >> >>> >> >>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:22 AM Le Roux Breytenbach=20 >>breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi i am a new member on the group.I am from South Africa and busy= =20 >>building a Vision Ex composite aircraft. >> >>>> The 13B Mazda is my engine of choice and sure that will find more= =20 >>info on the mailing group. >> >>>> >> >>>> Le Roux Breytenbach >> >>>> ZA >> >>>> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>>> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >> Archive and UnSub: =20 >>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> > Archive and UnSub: =20 >>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >>-- >>Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>Archive and UnSub: =20 >>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --------=_MBF9C3A889-E7F0-4178-8B38-FB12DB909778 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the kind words, Todd

While it wa= s a difficult decision to give up my rotary baby due to all of the great ti= mes and exchanges with all of you folks, my self evaulation indicated that= it was the right time to do it. =C2=A0While foruntately in great health, I= had notice that I was becoming more easily distracted - that wasn't so bad, = but I found more often that I was not getting back to the point before the = distraction. =C2=A0I concluded that added to the risk factor and throw in= 8 decades of living and it was time to make the decision. =C2=A0A couple of = sucessful engine-out experiences fortunately ending in successful, no-dama= ge landings and my youngest sisters warning that my "guardian Angle" was no= t getting any younger either =C2=A0- =C2=A0and the decision was made.=C2=A0=

I intended to sell the airframe minus the rotar= y installation, but David cited his rotary racing experience with the engin= e and desire to fly it with rotary convinced me to leave it in.
<= br />
I still monitor the list and although I no longer make much = of a contribution, it just feels good to hear you guys carry on.

Best Regards

Ed

------ Original Message ------
From: "Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: 5/18/2019 8:25:56 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member

When I first joined this list back in 2000, the list name= was actually "PlugsUp" as it was my understanding that it was formed due to = the moderator of the "other list" refusing to allow any discussion of such = heresy. The list quickly became populated with builders such as myself tha= t while not pursuing a plugs-up installation for my own project, we did val= ue the open and thoughtful discussion that was contributed by those that we= re either banned or voluntarily left the other list. Soon the list changed= name to the current "FlyRotary" name to better reflect the membership, but= while the focus was no longer on plugs-up installations, the contributions= by Ed and his experiences were many of the most valuable during my build.=C2=A0 His regular contributions are sorely missed, and while it is sad= that his flying days are over, I am very pleased to hear that his aircraft= will soon be back in the sky and that you've joined the list as well.
=

Todd Bartrim
C-= FSTB
RV9 13BTurbo


On Sat, May 18,= 2019 at 1:44 PM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
David: Yes i have read an arti= cle about the installation and expecially the "trials and tribulations " an= d how he sorted out all the growing pains of the installation.
For all the R&D that was done i am very grateful.
My installation is a footprint of his setup but only a p port.
Thanks let us now when the "bluebird RV6 " is in the hangar.

Regards Le Roux




Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 May 2019, at 21:49, David Gray todavidgray@yahoo.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> I have not yet finalized the purchase of Ed=E2=80=99s aircraft.=C2=A0= I plan to go to NC in 2 or 3 weeks to pick up and bring back to Dallas.=C2= =A0 Ed could accurately state how many hours he has on the current installa= tion, which is plugs up.=C2=A0 I know it is several hundred.=C2=A0 There wa= s apparently much debate about the pro=E2=80=99s and con=E2=80=99s of the p= lugs up installation back at the time.=C2=A0 He says that none of the con= =E2=80=99s that had been postulated by others ever appeared in those severa= l hundred hours of flight time.=C2=A0 I have been very impressed with the d= esign and analysis that Ed put into every aspect of his installation. Maybe = Ed will chime in here soon.
>
> David Gray
>
>
>> On May 16, 2019, at 12:47 AM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> = wrote:
>>
>> Neil: The engine gets a "side sump' the, oil flow in gravity to th= e
>> sump, is still the same in a normal position or 90 degree
>> anticlockwise (pilot view)
>>
>> The oil pick-up in the sump must just be the same length otherwise = it
>> will have problems in suction.
>>
>> I have designed some drawings and ideas can post in on the group f= or discussion.
>>
>> The same principle=E2=80=99s that Ed used in his engine setup. >> Wondering how many hours Ed`s=C2=A0 13B logged ?=C2=A0 Maybe David = Gray can help
>> me, saw that he bought the RV 6
>>
>>
>> Le R. Breytenbach
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com
>> <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Le Roux,
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= You are no different to me in Australia -- a long way from anywhere.=C2=A0= In fact one wag called his farm "worlds end" so I am close!!!=C2=A0 I have= never been in any discussion with a Plugs up engine, but I do recall it cre= ates grief as well.=C2=A0 What do you do with the sump?=C2=A0 Sure anything = can be altered, but every time you alter something it takes both time and= money.=C2=A0 I no longer have either, so tend to keep it simple and standar= d where possible.=C2=A0 Welcome to the group, there are many brilliant mind= s here with lots of experience and great advice.
>>>
>>> Neil.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/2019 2:34 PM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave - thank you i feel sometimes a bit " isolated " here in S= outh Africa in the experimental builders class. Has also joinned the EAA in = USA to "stay on par" with the new technologies in the experimental class.<= br /> >>> I have allready converted my 13B turbo model to a p port 44 mm = inside diameter.
>>> Regarding the slidethrottle and intakes i think i must go with = a plugs up mount with a downdraft holley and leaning block.
>>> Or if somebody on the group can helped me on the "plugs up top= ic." Has not scroll all the threads on the group yet - forgive me if it was = an old topic.
>>> Here in South Africa some of the websites are blocked by serve= rs and can't get hold off more info.
>>> I saw that David Gray bought Ed's bird ,saw a article years ag= o about his plugs up mount, is it still relevant? Seems much more practical = for the exaust outlet and the correct intake runner length.
>>>
>>> Le Roux Breytenbach
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 15 May 2019, at 21:28, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Glad to have you on board.=C2=A0 I think the rotary is a great = choice for a Vision.
>>>
>>> Dave Leonard
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:22 AM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com &l= t;flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi i am a new member on the group.I am from South Africa a= nd busy building a Vision Ex composite aircraft.
>>>> The 13B Mazda is my engine of choice and sure that will fi= nd more info on the mailing group.
>>>>
>>>> Le Roux Breytenbach
>>>> ZA
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> --
>>>> Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/
>>>> Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://mail.= lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
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