X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=JejCUnCV c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JFLq0Zg074/TNoPlXaVJig==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=xXDCcK6TKBsA:10 a=E5NmQfObTbMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=wByZ9lV2_cGhix8U4N4A:9 a=_yMytvXPeUJ5fl1O:21 a=erKlCqijTxo_WKgo:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=EACMFZy8z7VCEyOQwpoA:9 a=fiingF7RlTFkuuy1:21 a=_Y-kfvuYN08T34qb:21 a=oMMyC5gqOAylgcoe:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com" Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com ([209.85.208.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.12) with ESMTPS id 12571969 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:26:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.208.42; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id m4so17151104edd.8 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 17:26:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=h5sZtzKhMcFPEZpi/aMAeGkYzBNRYJrhj1BuZt0mD6o=; b=PFmjILu5QWl+NzNSTGYOw8+KwHOAP68ZkPGwwPHoWXaQI6YsGhIqbbUiS8wGk4l2os Nf3PEoaZ4/V3+5W/CPuPTBv5WiIRGbWCncNSh1ENmxI0qu6z6wZF5r3rrZfoH6GvlymK 1DqzgCEY6VAncij0cxve3rCjpMy05HeDUjvOkgSr3KInU0Dvi3MTLDUddaOnBotPO45P 7KrXTB2fJoGvfFoG39mLL9LX+VIwO4LITpofEs70aJ/Zl1yr/S6p/fg5JDubvF1BM5KD d4RZWlXG2UdtOaBMfhhJ/Shvyyoa3n5fA08qVwOGS3DcVEvx9mqo5vG9N6vuUDgu6PRu SU2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=h5sZtzKhMcFPEZpi/aMAeGkYzBNRYJrhj1BuZt0mD6o=; b=o8NWY0q9JclMtUVuafmfs1yo/TmfYlYMX6fvggTLBcO6cyR7Wv1acGLZPMDl8MEX7C 0P7bT8sAsyEN5c0XGckn7MkC+moOV7rRwcAKsftCknTP2YQU9ykJ9w9ec1WGDB4XTCjK MymGxhjEQz3m3157lfJR9XxaMvW/I2Boz6BCHI7HDF+5kW8Zgg7MBUysVGliuMLEgeX3 ZJwUyIYmgg9gJKJ+Cjr/dISRxPqwNE9NaL7J5hml0H/jBTPr5WLt8fbBlYl3kQr1eL3f CcYRBk/c5vTKT82R9g+y2BkrICNKwroDApNCwRexOpIQxG+lx7iEdGK+UzEl/zz89tRw eprA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW7AYg9LJw2A/S8pUgsbxSvNuOdxMXNZ4AyrJohSwzR4oTbuppZ hnyIlBNdSH3uJ6vBVPW8P8Uklwf7a6XjWMLzap7Y X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxyTw7ZlZz9cQuA+ZyLjiCuCDdmCZZ8m9nBC0Do0ELsv+kpVdiEQQ33nHu0pY+XMbZZCJn5lMDcXJ0RxlwsFfU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4599:: with SMTP id t25mr25073487ejq.197.1558225573986; Sat, 18 May 2019 17:26:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 17:25:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: New Member To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d145b3058932a965" --000000000000d145b3058932a965 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I first joined this list back in 2000, the list name was actually "PlugsUp" as it was my understanding that it was formed due to the moderator of the "other list" refusing to allow any discussion of such heresy. The list quickly became populated with builders such as myself that while not pursuing a plugs-up installation for my own project, we did value the open and thoughtful discussion that was contributed by those that were either banned or voluntarily left the other list. Soon the list changed name to the current "FlyRotary" name to better reflect the membership, but while the focus was no longer on plugs-up installations, the contributions by Ed and his experiences were many of the most valuable during my build. His regular contributions are sorely missed, and while it is sad that his flying days are over, I am very pleased to hear that his aircraft will soon be back in the sky and that you've joined the list as well. Todd Bartrim C-FSTB RV9 13BTurbo On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: > David: Yes i have read an article about the installation and expecially > the "trials and tribulations " and how he sorted out all the growing pain= s > of the installation. > For all the R&D that was done i am very grateful. > My installation is a footprint of his setup but only a p port. > Thanks let us now when the "bluebird RV6 " is in the hangar. > > Regards Le Roux > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 18 May 2019, at 21:49, David Gray todavidgray@yahoo.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > > > I have not yet finalized the purchase of Ed=E2=80=99s aircraft. I plan= to go to > NC in 2 or 3 weeks to pick up and bring back to Dallas. Ed could > accurately state how many hours he has on the current installation, which > is plugs up. I know it is several hundred. There was apparently much > debate about the pro=E2=80=99s and con=E2=80=99s of the plugs up installa= tion back at the > time. He says that none of the con=E2=80=99s that had been postulated by= others > ever appeared in those several hundred hours of flight time. I have been > very impressed with the design and analysis that Ed put into every aspect > of his installation. Maybe Ed will chime in here soon. > > > > David Gray > > > > > >> On May 16, 2019, at 12:47 AM, Le Roux Breytenbach > breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: > >> > >> Neil: The engine gets a "side sump' the, oil flow in gravity to the > >> sump, is still the same in a normal position or 90 degree > >> anticlockwise (pilot view) > >> > >> The oil pick-up in the sump must just be the same length otherwise it > >> will have problems in suction. > >> > >> I have designed some drawings and ideas can post in on the group for > discussion. > >> > >> The same principle=E2=80=99s that Ed used in his engine setup. > >> Wondering how many hours Ed`s 13B logged ? Maybe David Gray can help > >> me, saw that he bought the RV 6 > >> > >> > >> Le R. Breytenbach > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Le Roux, > >>> > >>> You are no different to me in Australia -- a long wa= y > from anywhere. In fact one wag called his farm "worlds end" so I am > close!!! I have never been in any discussion with a Plugs up engine, but= I > do recall it creates grief as well. What do you do with the sump? Sure > anything can be altered, but every time you alter something it takes both > time and money. I no longer have either, so tend to keep it simple and > standard where possible. Welcome to the group, there are many brilliant > minds here with lots of experience and great advice. > >>> > >>> Neil. > >>> > >>> On 5/16/2019 2:34 PM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com > wrote: > >>> > >>> Dave - thank you i feel sometimes a bit " isolated " here in South > Africa in the experimental builders class. Has also joinned the EAA in US= A > to "stay on par" with the new technologies in the experimental class. > >>> I have allready converted my 13B turbo model to a p port 44 mm inside > diameter. > >>> Regarding the slidethrottle and intakes i think i must go with a plug= s > up mount with a downdraft holley and leaning block. > >>> Or if somebody on the group can helped me on the "plugs up topic." Ha= s > not scroll all the threads on the group yet - forgive me if it was an old > topic. > >>> Here in South Africa some of the websites are blocked by servers and > can't get hold off more info. > >>> I saw that David Gray bought Ed's bird ,saw a article years ago about > his plugs up mount, is it still relevant? Seems much more practical for t= he > exaust outlet and the correct intake runner length. > >>> > >>> Le Roux Breytenbach > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On 15 May 2019, at 21:28, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Glad to have you on board. I think the rotary is a great choice for = a > Vision. > >>> > >>> Dave Leonard > >>> > >>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:22 AM Le Roux Breytenbach > breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi i am a new member on the group.I am from South Africa and busy > building a Vision Ex composite aircraft. > >>>> The 13B Mazda is my engine of choice and sure that will find more > info on the mailing group. > >>>> > >>>> Le Roux Breytenbach > >>>> ZA > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> -- > >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> > >> -- > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > --000000000000d145b3058932a965 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I first joined this list back in 2000, the list name = was actually "PlugsUp" as it was my understanding that it was for= med due to the moderator of the "other list" refusing to allow an= y discussion of such heresy. The list quickly became populated with builder= s such as myself that while not pursuing a plugs-up installation for my own= project, we did value the open and thoughtful discussion that was contribu= ted by those that were either banned or voluntarily left the other list. So= on the list changed name to the current "FlyRotary" name to bette= r reflect the membership, but while the focus was no longer on plugs-up ins= tallations, the contributions by Ed and his experiences were many of the mo= st valuable during my build.
=C2=A0 His regular contributions are sorel= y missed, and while it is sad that his flying days are over, I am very plea= sed to hear that his aircraft will soon be back in the sky and that you'= ;ve joined the list as well.

Todd Bartrim
C-FSTB
RV9 13BTurbo


On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com <= ;flyrotary@lancaironline.net= > wrote:
= David: Yes i have read an article about the installation and expecially the= "trials and tribulations " and how he sorted out all the growing= pains of the installation.
For all the R&D that was done i am very grateful.
My installation is a footprint of his setup but only a p port.
Thanks let us now when the "bluebird RV6 " is in the hangar.

Regards Le Roux




Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 May 2019, at 21:49, David Gray todavidgray@yahoo.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> I have not yet finalized the purchase of Ed=E2=80=99s aircraft.=C2=A0 = I plan to go to NC in 2 or 3 weeks to pick up and bring back to Dallas.=C2= =A0 Ed could accurately state how many hours he has on the current installa= tion, which is plugs up.=C2=A0 I know it is several hundred.=C2=A0 There wa= s apparently much debate about the pro=E2=80=99s and con=E2=80=99s of the p= lugs up installation back at the time.=C2=A0 He says that none of the con= =E2=80=99s that had been postulated by others ever appeared in those severa= l hundred hours of flight time.=C2=A0 I have been very impressed with the d= esign and analysis that Ed put into every aspect of his installation. Maybe= Ed will chime in here soon.
>
> David Gray
>
>
>> On May 16, 2019, at 12:47 AM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.co= m <= flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Neil: The engine gets a "side sump' the, oil flow in grav= ity to the
>> sump, is still the same in a normal position or 90 degree
>> anticlockwise (pilot view)
>>
>> The oil pick-up in the sump must just be the same length otherwise= it
>> will have problems in suction.
>>
>> I have designed some drawings and ideas can post in on the group f= or discussion.
>>
>> The same principle=E2=80=99s that Ed used in his engine setup.
>> Wondering how many hours Ed`s=C2=A0 13B logged ?=C2=A0 Maybe David= Gray can help
>> me, saw that he bought the RV 6
>>
>>
>> Le R. Breytenbach
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:45 AM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com
>> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Le Roux,
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = You are no different to me in Australia -- a long way from anywhere.=C2=A0 = In fact one wag called his farm "worlds end" so I am close!!!=C2= =A0 I have never been in any discussion with a Plugs up engine, but I do re= call it creates grief as well.=C2=A0 What do you do with the sump?=C2=A0 Su= re anything can be altered, but every time you alter something it takes bot= h time and money.=C2=A0 I no longer have either, so tend to keep it simple = and standard where possible.=C2=A0 Welcome to the group, there are many bri= lliant minds here with lots of experience and great advice.
>>>
>>> Neil.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/2019 2:34 PM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave - thank you i feel sometimes a bit " isolated "= here in South Africa in the experimental builders class. Has also joinned = the EAA in USA to "stay on par" with the new technologies in the = experimental class.
>>> I have allready converted my 13B turbo model to a p port 44 mm= inside diameter.
>>> Regarding the slidethrottle and intakes i think i must go with= a plugs up mount with a downdraft holley and leaning block.
>>> Or if somebody on the group can helped me on the "plugs u= p topic." Has not scroll all the threads on the group yet - forgive me= if it was an old topic.
>>> Here in South Africa some of the websites are blocked by serve= rs and can't get hold off more info.
>>> I saw that David Gray bought Ed's bird ,saw a article year= s ago about his plugs up mount, is it still relevant? Seems much more pract= ical for the exaust outlet and the correct intake runner length.
>>>
>>> Le Roux Breytenbach
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 15 May 2019, at 21:28, David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Glad to have you on board.=C2=A0 I think the rotary is a great= choice for a Vision.
>>>
>>> Dave Leonard
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:22 AM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachlerou= x@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi i am a new member on the group.I am from South Africa a= nd busy building a Vision Ex composite aircraft.
>>>> The 13B Mazda is my engine of choice and sure that will fi= nd more info on the mailing group.
>>>>
>>>> Le Roux Breytenbach
>>>> ZA
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> --
>>>> Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/
>>>> Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>>
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