Bobby,
In reality the "cup" can be a piece of 3mm
or 1/8" flat steel with the taper and parallel section for the 1mm
washer machined into it. You are only trying to hold the 1mm
washer in place. Will still need the disposable mandrel to ensure
it is center when mounting. Loctite the 1mm thrust washer in
certainly and it is the simplest I can come up with. To machine
the 3mm plate simply tack weld to a round pipe (only need 2 inches
of pipe), so it can be held in a 3 jaw chuck. The pipe has to be
cut true in the lathe or it will "walk" in which case you may well
have to start with a much thicker piece of plate and then have to
machine both sides to get true. Lathe the outside flat (3mm
plate) , machine the hole in the center (remember the taper is on
the other side of the flat machined side) and then cut to shape
with an angle grinder. The mandrel is just a piece of solid or
heavy walled pipe machined to size, to hold all central while
drilling and screwing together. Then becomes a paperweight.
Sounds simple like always, but count on 2 hours in a lathe.
At 3mm thick plate will not need oil grooves, suggest 4 mounting
screws, which will give you a square plate, (easier to scribe the
4 mounting screws) and loctite the "Cup" or plate to the back
alloy plate as well. At least fill in around the screws with
loctite to prevent any sideways movement.,
Neil.
Neil,
Looking
good. The cup ID may need to be a few thousands over 52mm so
not sure if there’s room for a mounting spigot. Depending on
material thickness, the cup will fully enclose one of the
2MM bearings and part of the 3.5mm thrust washer. Possibly
add oil path grooves to the front and rear of the cup at 45
degree clocking. Depending on the material thickness the
channels may need to be offset. Oil channels may not be
necessary.
Too
early for wine but well caffeinated!
Bobby
From:
Rotary motors in aircraft
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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 2:26 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 1mm thrust washer
Kelly, I really should not draw freehand --- see if you can
make sense of the scribble. Neil.
Neil and All,
Not sure I am visualizing the
shape of the of the cup to encapsulate the
1mm thrust washer but would certainly
be a customer if Randy Kempf were
to gear up to produce them........How
about sketch of the proposed shape
for those of us that are somewhat
mechanically inept...........<:)
Bobby,
Sorry I misunderstood you. By
all means contact
Randy as he may be able to fit you in. He has a
complete reduction
drive of mine there to measure, and certainly has the
machinery to make
same.
Neil.
On 11/12/2018 7:41 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote:
> Neil
>
> I was asking if Randy would consider making the
1mm washer mounting cup. I have a chip detector but
removed it due to the 1mm washer / shaft wear creating
fuzz every few hours and setting off an alert. I also
measure the gearbox oil temp output.
>
> Bobby
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 11, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
wrote:
>>
>> Bobby,
>>
>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
Another way is what I did, was to put a temp sensor in
the pSRU which will let you know if all is not well
with elevated temps. This is standard in heavy
trucks, One in the gear box, and one each in both
diffs. Simple and effective.
>>
>> Neil.
>>
>>
>>> On 11/12/2018 6:58 AM, Neil Unger wrote:
>>> Bobby,
>>>
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
 I put a magnet in the return line to catch any
metal, but only got the "fuzz" you are talking about
so simply removed it.
>>>
>>> Will discuss with Randy re stocking a
chip detector. That will be his commercial decision.
>>>
>>> Neil.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2018 3:29 AM, Bobby J.
Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net
wrote:
>>>> Neil,
>>>>
>>>> That should work. I believe Tracy has
suggested the same solution. It would allow for
replacing the 1mm washer if needed. I’m thinking
aluminum instead of steel to minimize any wear on the
washer outer edge if it rotated. I would like to start
using my gearbox chip detector again. The 1mm washer
shaft contact caused enough fuzz to activate it every
few hours so I removed it. Would this be an item Randy
Kempf would consider supplying? We need four in Austin
TX and I’m sure others would retrofit if the part
was available. The cup OD would need to increased
but I think we have plenty of room to accommodate
modification.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bobby
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Neil
Unger 12348ung@gmail.com
<flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bobby,
>>>>>
>>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
        Tried my bearing blokes with
no joy, over that size they are all 1.5mm. There
is another way however if there is room. I suggest
a small alloy (or steel) "cup" with mounting flanges
like the washer you want, except in the middle the 1mm
washer fits flat against the mounting plate as usual,
and the cup then tapers upwards (after the 1mm thick
retaining hole at the bottom ) and out slightly (for
say another 3mm?) to prevent the 1mm thrust washer to
"jump out of bed" and moving sideways. If it does move
forward the taper will force it back into place when
the load comes on again. My $0.02 worth,
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil.
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